Subject: SMML13/3/98Vol117 shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- INDEX 1: Re: Colour Chart 2: Re: White paint and NS Savanna 3: WWII C.G. Cutter 4: NRG Web Site 5: Uss Enterprise photographs 6: Carrier aircraft 7: Re: card model ships 8: Re: 1/700 HMS Invincible 9: Hood Re-construction 10: Re: Card models 11: 1/350th Illustrious class Carrier 12: The Model Police - a cautionary tale. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: HGYL Subject: Re: Colour Chart Would you please e mail your Dutch Boy etc colour chart to me . Thank you very much . I am enjoying the daily exchange . Harold Lincoln ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: White paint and NS Savanna Mark, You wrote: >> Hi all just checking in with a quick status report on the NS Savannah I'm building- beautiful ship - awful kit (Glencoe 1/350). I've literally put it back on the shelf three times in exasperation. It seems everything is wrong but I can't.... quite...give...up...on... her. << Please let us know what you have found wrong and decided to fix. I have heard that the doors and windows on the bridge may be too large for the scale. What have you done? >> White paint is my latest challenge. You wouldn't think spaying a couple of thin coats of white would pose much of a challenge but I'm nearly exasperated. << The white paint dilemma has come up recently somewhere (here? r.m.s.?) and the 3 most common techniques that I remember are: 1) Using a light gray or white primer (automotive suggested a lot) before putting on this coats of flat white. If you need glossy, coat the flat white with clear acrylic (like Future Floor Polish). 2) Using a VERY light gray instead of white. Maybe some kind of mix of light gray and white that looks just like white, but covers better to to the gray pigments. 3) Adding blue, yes blue, to your white paint mix. Bluing agents are used in many laundry detergents to "get your whites whiter". The blue (in moderation) helps the white in coverage and also helps keeps the potential for yellowing over time down. Larry Ouellette Quincy, Massachusetts Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) US Naval & Shipbuilding Museum http://www.uss-salem.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: PERATHJEN Subject: WWII C.G. Cutter Can anyone give me any info on a kit of any WWII Coast Guard Cutter? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Gene Larson Subject: NRG Web Site As most of you know the Nautical Research Guild has a web site with many aspects of ship modeling and maritime research covered. We have the largest list of sources for researchers and model builders on the Web. My request is that whenever you come across a new source applicable to this list, either on the Web or off, please let me know so it can be added. There seems to be a great increase in interest in the ship model field, and a large number of new things are becoming available. We would like to keep the site up to date. In addition, any corrections and changes would be appreciated. Regards, Gene Larson Alexandria, Virginia Nautical Research Guild http://www.Naut-Res-Guild.org mailto:genenrg@Naut-Res-Guild.org "A non-profit, tax exempt, educational organization with international membership, dedicated to maritime research and accurate ship model building." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Terry Sumner" Subject: Uss Enterprise photographs For those of us involved in the Big E kit, there are some excellent photographs online at my IPMS chapter's brand new website. There will be more coming, but for now, the ones posted are of the island. Point your browser at: http://www.ici.net/customers/calvin/calvin.html This is the Bay Colony Historical Modelers Club website, recently put up by fellow member Bob Magina. Incidentally, Bay Colony also is the club which maintains the huge model collection on board the USS Massachussetts battleship at Battleship Cove in Fall River, Mass. Also there is a tin can, a deisel sub and a couple of P.T. boats. Cheers, Terry Sumner IPMS 35079 "If you're not making any mistakes, you're probably not building anything." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: KDur597268 Subject: Carrier aircraft Hi folks - I'm brand new to this NG, and new to ship modeling, although not to modeling. I've done mostly a/c up to now. Of course I had to embarass myself yesterday with my first post being a mis-reading of the request for carrier aircraft as a request for a carrier! B-25's aren't exactly "carrier aircraft!". The funny thing is I have the same question! Does or did anyone make early WW2 a/c for carriers in 1/700? I'd like to do an early '42 CV, so I'd need F4F's, SBDs and TBDs if they exist. My impression is that that the Tamiya CV-6 comes with TBFs, SB2C's and F6Fs? CV-8 of course comes with B-25's. I can't remember seeing an early Yorktown or Lexington. I'm sure someone can straighten me out. Ken Durling (IAV8) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SantMin Subject: Re: card model ships There are several places you can buy all sorts of card models via mailorder. In fact, there is an email list devoted to card modeling. send the message with the text "SUBSCRIBE CARDMODEL-L" to LISTSERVER@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Gary Au Subject: Re: 1/700 HMS Invincible I noticed the New Product List form Paolo's page that Revell will releases a 1/700 HMS Invincible. Any idea about the model? Is it the one servicing the Royal Navy today. Gary, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Ritchie_deutag, Colin" Subject: Hood Re-construction Just a word of thanks to all those who took the time and effort to my enquiry, I appreciate the effort. I've got one Hood on order, which will be done as a peace time, "at anchor" model, and I'll get into the as reconstructed project when I've tracked down the references Thanks once again Colin Ritchie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: David Hathaway Subject: Re: Card models Following a couple of mentions of card modelling on the list over the last few days, I thought it would be worth reminding the list about the Card Modelling List. The list is there to discuss all aspects of modelling with card - buying models, building them and designing your own. While all subjects are discussed, there is a very good selection of ship models available, particularly merchant ships and liners. Card models make into very detailed and accurate models. They generally don't need painting, are very sturdy in spite of any misconceptions you may have and they are also cheap relative to polystyrene (Wilhelmshaven 1:250 Bismark is 60DM/UK20/$35). Scales range from approx 1:1200 to 1:100 for ships. The FAQ for the list whch covers how to subscribe, where the archives are, sources, free models available on the Web, etc, is at: http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~browns/card-faq/ David ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Ritchie_deutag, Colin" Subject: 1/350th Illustrious class Carrier Hi there , Eric is correct, White ensign are indeed working on a 1/350th Illustrious class Carrier, War time fit, for release late this year, or possibly into next year. In 350th this would be a big kit, 29-30". I for one would love to get one, but the combined efforts of WE, Tom's and others are combining to drive me to the edge financially, () The comment re Heller's Illustrious intrigues me however, I'm just getting in to ship modelling in a big way, and I don't really have a handle on the Heller 1/400th range, is there a listing of what they did? I'm aware of the KG V, Hood, the German ships, and the French ships, but what else did they kit? Colin Ritchie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Michael Kear Subject: The Model Police - a cautionary tale. This whole discussion of COLOR POLICE has reminded me of a bad experience that happened to me. I recount the story as a kind of warning to all those well-intentioned souls who offer advice to new modellers - be careful about how you make comments on someone's new model. It was my first model. A 1/24 scale harbour tug. I had bought the hull from a person who told me it was a model of Yarra, a Sydney Harbour Tug. It looked strong and well made and had plans too, so I took it home excitedly. I studied the plans for ages and worked out what sequence I was going to build it in, and got some ply and cut out the deck from the plans. And it didn't fit. It wasn't even close. Too narrow here, too wide there, too curved here, not curved enough there. I looked more closely at the plan and discovered it was so poorly drawn that the dimensions on the elevation view didn't match the dimensions on the plan view. So I had to throw the plans away. I decided to draw my own. I went to the Harbour Tug jetty and asked if I could take pictures of the tug Yarra so I could draw plans, only to learn that there was no tug called Yarra at all. It turned out that Yarra was a typical 100 foot Tug. So I looked round and decided that Wyambi was the closest to the shape I had and took lots and lots of pictures of that. After plenty of anguish and self-doubt I managed to get the motors, shafts, props, kort nozzles, radio gear and decks installed in time for a running day and excitedly took my new part-completed model to the running day. So, there my pride and joy was, my first ever radio controlled model, sitting in the water - no superstructure, but after months of stress I had it moving at last. Then a person who's name I'd best not mention came and took a look. "What's that a model of?" he asked. "Wyambi" I told him nervously. Then he hit me between the eyes. Not with a fist, but it might as well have been. "That's not Wyambi" he said. Hey hang on it was only a hull, and deck . no superstructure at all yet!. "Wyambi is wider than that. And higher in the bow and stern. And the sheer line is more curved than that. And the colour of the hull is not quite that colour." I didn't hear anything else he said. All that worry and hard work on my first model. All that stress as I tried to make something out of a bad mistake. And he'd rubbished it in a second. The first person to say anything about my model and he said nothing was right. Every comment he made was about something I got wrong, and in fact couldn't correct. I could easily change the colours, but what about the shape of the hull. I'm sure he was trying to be helpful. Or at least strut his own superior knowledge, rather than criticise my efforts, but the effect of his comments was just as brutal as if he'd told me I was not a model maker, would never be a model maker, and ought to go crawl under a rock where I belong. For 6 months after that I did NO modelling at all. Didn't even go into the workshop. I just thought about whether I should throw away my $200 worth of hull, ply, props and shafts etc and start again. And wondered if I was such a lousy model maker that perhaps I should take up flower arranging. Eventually I decided to throw this guy's comments in the wastebin of my memory. I made my Wyambi into Paihia, a non-existent Auckland Harbour Tug (they're painted better colours anyway) so no one could criticise it as not being "correct" and continued with my project. My point is this .. PLEASE PLEASE . if you feel you must comment about someone's model, if you think they have got something wrong, be gentle. Tell them how good it is first. Tell them all the things you can see that they got right. "Gee, how did you do that?", "I like the way that's looking ." "That's a good idea " .. THEN approach the thing you think is wrong. Even then, please don't say "that's wrong". Do it gently. Say "I am surprised about that. I thought it was different to that. How did you find out it looked like that?" After all, it might be YOU that's wrong here. Just my thoughts. We need to keep this hobby of ours fun, and if we get police around the place, we can discourage creative people without even trying. [RANT MODE OFF] Fair winds and following seas, Mike Kear, Webmaster, Task Force 72 Australia 1/72 Scale warship modellers, Australia http://www.healey.com.au/~mkear/taskforce72.html AFP Models - Warship fittings, semi-kits, hulls, accessories. http://www.zip.com.au/~mkear/AFP_Catalogue_Master.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume