Subject: SMML18/07/98VOL244 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:02:57 +1000 (EST) shipmodels@wr.com.au --------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://warship.simplenet.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: SMML15/7/98Vol241 2: Review: Australian Warship Review 3: Modelling magazine list: Ship related 4: Re: Instructions/Decals 5: Re: Plans 6: Re: Decals for ship models 7: Nautilus Models future plans - some requests 8: Re: plans 9: Modern Navy Paints 10: Dealey class DE 11: Richelieu and other Questions 12: Re: full hull to waterline 13: Re: Model plans 14: New Address for the Federation of Small Scale Industries 15: Imperial Hobbies 1/700 scale ships. 16: Instructions and Decals 17: Re: Instructions/decals 18: decal suggestions 19: Decals for ship models 20: Re: Glencoe Corsair / ?Gloucester? 21: Re: Lone Star Models' USS Winslow @ 1/192 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Hello from SeaPhoto 2: We're Back!! 3: Books & Videos For Sale: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Robert R.M. de Vlam" Subject: Re: SMML15/7/98Vol241 >> can help. Where (from whom) can I buy 1:1250 Metal Ship Miniatures from Mercator, Albatros, etc ? I live in Portugal so a place in the EEC would be preferable but not mandatory. Thanks in advance. Joao Andrade Guerra << The best and oldest sources for 1/1250 mailorder business in Europe are: P.Wiedling, Dr Maxstrasse 29, 82031 Grünwald, Germany Firma Erich Breustedt, Schilfkampweg 13, 31311 Uetze-Hännigsen,Germany. You can also try for both new and second hand: Gaterie Maritim, Martin Lutherstrasse 21, 20459 Hamburg, Germany Christian Schmidt KG, Sauerbruchstrasse 10, 81377 München. Germany Olivier Maertens, Isoldestrasse 4, 12159 Berlin, Germany. and only second hand: Helmut Just, Obere Leihofstrasse 49, 8820 Wädenswil, Switserland. None of them have web sites on the net. You will have to wrtie to them. Good luck, Robert de Vlam. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins Subject: Review: Australian Warship Review G'day all, I picked up Australian Warship Review the other week & finally finished reading it. It's a pretty good read for a magazine. It's published quartely by Topmill & retails for A$8.95. Topmill also publish other "books"(magazines) on the RAN. The magazine contains the following articles: USS Arleigh Burke class DDG: This is reprinted from Combat Fleets of the World 1998-99 published by US Naval Institute. Very informative HMAS Collins class SS history Pt 1: This covers the period from launching of HMAS Collins to Dec 1995. This at times reads like an advert from the Australian Submarine Corporation & the Federal government, but is informative all the same. Ship of the line: featuring USS Salem CA-139: This is interesting piece on the Salem covering her history & persevation efforts & general notes on the Des Moines class cruisers. Battle of the Java Sea: This recounts the events leading up to, during & after the battle. It has some interstiong shots of HMAS Exeter, Java & De Ruyter & IJN Hagura. All in all, very informative. RN Type 23 Frigate: Very interesting article contrasting the RN experince during the Falklands & lessons learned which were incorporated in the Type 23's & other navy's procurement, especially the RAN's choice to go with the MEKO Anzac class FF's. It also details the ships in detail, with some excellant shots. Now if there was only an injection kit of the type in 1/700 of course :-) USN sea based fire power: Details the USN's change from a cold war footing to post cold war world. It also talks about the arsenal ship & other innovations. Reprinted from "Armed Forces Journal International". The Bathurst's class corvette/minesweeper: This was particulary interesting seeing as there is not enough info about them. This covers in general their history & individual ship's service life. This is reprinted from "Fleet Minesweepers at war" published by Maritime Books. Atlas Engineering: This is about one of NSW's earliest ship building firms, very informative. HMAS Swan DE-50 Swansong(AARGH): This covers in brief the service of HMAS Swan & it's ultimate demise as an artificial reef in WA. Again some excellant photos. Excellant article pity about the title :-) TASK FORCE 72: I liked this article as it shows just what some mad :-) modellers can get up to, eg HMS Hood in 1/72 "impressive" Warships & Marine Corps Museum (International): This is a museum in Sydney not generally open to the public, only by appointment. It's privately run & puts out a newsletter to members. Also some of my APMA collogues have built ships for them. Very informative. There is also a news file & various small articles on current naval matters. There is a book review section which reviewed 6 books 3 of which are published by Topmill( not too sure of that, reviewing their own books!!). There is also an excellant Naval Photographic album in the containg excellant photos including a double page photo of HMAS Warramuga (Tribal class DD) cruising past garden Is Sydney Harbour, almost worth the cover price on it's own. I can highly recommend this book/magazine to anyone, with the provisio that the book reviews are a bit suspect & that there are a few reprinted articles. Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins Subject: Modelling magazine list: Ship related Hi all, I'm am currently about 1/2 way thru compiling a list with all the ship modelling articles in my collection. I'm have finished the following mags: Scale Models International Plastic Ship Modeller Airfix Magazine ( nearly done ) I'm about to start on Army & Navy Modelworld & then proceed to Tamiya Model Magazine International & FSM. I should be finished the list by the end of next week. If you would like an advanced copy just email me & I'll send it out. I'm using Amipro 3.0 under OS2 Warp(yes I'm not using Win95 & it's various derivatives), I assume most word processors can handle it. At the moment it's 29 pages long & approx 180K in size. I'm offering this list for free & would appreciatte any sites who use it to do the same. All the best: Shane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: John Sheridan Subject: Re: Instructions/Decals Rusty Quoted: >> Decals are a big risk. The reason most "cottage industry" companies do not include decals is the horrendous cost and limited shelf life. Cottage industries produce very low numbers of kits compared to the big injected plastic companies. You would need at least 1000 sheets of decals to make them cost effective. I was quoted $1.00 per sheet (6"x 8") after set up fees. Unless you sell 1000 kits, you will have a lot of decals sitting and aging on the shelf. Inevitably, this is a finacial loss. So it's best to leave it to somone else. << I don't see where you got the idea that you would need 1000 sheets to be cost effective Rusty. We can do a single-color 500 sheet run for about $150.00 (artwork supplied by customer). If you add $5.00 to the cost of a ship model, you would need to sell 30 kits to hit the break-even point. After the first 30 are sold, the rest is profit. I know I simplified things here a bit, but you get the point of what i'm trying to say. The problem Microscale has is that we have to run a minimum of 500 sheets for each run. The reason for the 500 number is because that is what our presses are set-up to do. The solution to the 500 sheet problem is to create multiple pieces of artwork on a single 5x8 sheet. This cuts your cost even further because now you've spread your costs across multiple kits. We charge you for a large single sheet instead of a bunch of small sheets. Also, If you are really on a tight budget, I know of shops that will do small runs of decals; usually 25 sets on 2"x4" sheets. Most people feel that when you are shelling-out anywhere from $200.00 - $900.00 dollars for a high quality limited-run ship, they would expect to get enough material to complete the job. Paint and Glue are easy for a modeler to aquire and are rarely included with a kit. However, decals, especially uncommon ones, are not easy for a modeler to get their hands on. Sure they can now buy blank film and try to print their own, but the problem here is that not too many people can draw well enough to create a decal set. That's where the manufacturer should step in and give the modeler the material to finish the job right and decals are the finishing touch on a model. John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals http://www.microscale.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: John Sheridan Subject: Re: Plans Bradford Chaucer wrote: >> The suggestion was made elsewhere that one possibility might be to get modelers to help generate some of the documentation in exchange for a donated kit. This is probably not a bad idea. First it puts the kit and documentation in the hands of someone who is not directly involved with producing the kit. Second the modeler's perspective is different from that of the person making the masters, who may never actually deal with assembling the completed model from the parts. Finally it puts generating the documentation in the hands of someone who is not wrapped up in trying to arrange all the details of getting the kit produced. << Excellent ideas Bradford! We do something like this at Microscale. Usually, when we create a decal sheet, we have someone from the outside who is supplying the data for that sheet. Before we run the sheet, we send a copy of the artwork to the person who supplied the data to double check it for errors, omissions, etc. They will usually find what we missed because they are looking at it with a fresh sets of eyes. In exchange for doing the QC and supplying the data, we reward them by sending free sheets of the decals they helped create. We find that this is a win-win for both us and the customer because we end-up with fewer errors on our decal sheets and the customer get free decals for helping us. I also like the idea of providing an illustrated parts list. I recently bought a 1/350th scale USS Miami and a 1/350th USS Houston (both Gulfstream / Iron Shipwrights models). Since both kits had an illustrated parts inventory included with the instructions, it was easy to identify all of the parts in both kits. I did find a few missing / deformed parts in each kit model (I always inventory my models before starting construction). A simple phone call to Iron Shipwrights with the part numbers that I needed replaced was all that was required. This process was greatly simplified by the fact that I could identify and quanitify all of the parts needed to build my kit becuase the models included an illustrated parts list. While my replacement parts were in transit, it gave me time to work on the hulls . My parts arrived a few days later and now I can complete both of my models. John Sheridan @ Microscale Decals http://www.microscale.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Decals for ship models >> Let me know what you ideas / opinions are! If some good ideas can be brought forth, maybe these things can become reality. << Dear john, I'm glad to see your interest in producing ship decals. If you do, make them a "scale" color. The stark 1 to 1 shade of white looks funny on 1/350 scale models. If all the colors on these sheets could be toned down they would look much more realistic. Just a thought. Rusty White ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: jpoutre@lehman.com (Joseph Poutre) Subject: Nautilus Models future plans - some requests >> Nautilus Models has release the first upgrade for a plastic kit, the US Fleet Boat of WW2. Our plans do include about a dozen variants of this kit, eventually. It also includes plans for the following ( a 5-year plan?): Revell MIDWAY new island and guns, maybe even a line of 1/540 planes << PLEASE make the planes. There were so many different aircraft carried by the various carriers in this scale. Helos, too, of course. >> PT-109 a set to make a more realistic 109 or a later boat. << This, too, would make me happy. Maybe two or three sets, with tube-launched and tossed-over-the-side torpedo launchers, and the various gun armaments the class carried. >> ITALERI/TESTORS CVs New superstructures for each of the carriers in this line. << Does this include the Kuznetsov/Varyag? How about a conversion/fixup kit for the Aoshima Kiev/Minsk, perhaps even to convert one to the Gorshkov? >> Monogram HALSEY A Weapons set with Helo and p/e radars << Please include the missing directors. Perhaps a conversion kit to bring it up to 1980s version? Joseph Poutre, aka The Mad Mathematician N2KOW Co-Webmaster, Battleship New Jersey Historical Museum Society http://bnj.quuxuum.org/ Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Tom & Carolyn Harrison Subject: Re: plans My two cents on plans, What is enough? What is complete? Modelers are quick to point out the lack of information when reviewing a resin kit. I don't see complaints on the injected kits, does that mean there perfect! I once contacted an individual who had destroyed a kit (injected) with his comments, when ask if he would like to make new corrected masters so we as could release a better kit, that individual was never heard from again. When you have suggestions, corrections, additions or comments why not mark up a set of the kit plans and send them to the manufacture. We all try, some of us may try harder but we could all use your help, not criticism. PLEASE, don't forget without us there would be no resin kit to review. Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Cdamb67491@aol.com Subject: Modern Navy Paints I HAVE FOUND IT!!! I absolutely cannot believe that especially Testors has not yet come out with a color for modern US Navy ship's overall color and deck color. You would think that their Model Master line would have those. But in my futile, yet valiant attempt to come up with an accurate color match, I have finally found it in being able to mix a couple of colors. THE SECRET: Ship color = RLM 63 + about 30% or so Flat Gull Grey. It works. Deck color = RLM 74. I have been building Hasagawa 48 scale jets for the last couple of years and when I was at a local Hobby store recently, I saw a diarama someone had put together of Tamara's 1/350 Enterprise and DML's 1/350 Spruance on a piece of obscure glass with the bottom painted blue. It looked so cool that I right then became a ship modeler. That's when my problems began. DML is dreaming if they think that a combination of Gunzi paint 90% 334+ 5% 87 + 5% 52 is an accurate match for a modern Destroyer. Being the consummate perfectionist that I am, I took about 15 color chips from Home Depot's paint department down to San Diego and went on the Benfold (an Arliegh Burke Destroyer) and found that Behr paint's color chip (Kittiwake Grey) was it. My color mix above matches fairly closely. By the way, for all of you who live near San Diego and want to go on a ship on any weekend, call (619) 556-3123 for ship info. At the end of the recorded message of ship arrivals and departures, listen for what ship will be open to visitors. The base is at 32nd street. Also you can go on a carrier on North Island by telling the guard at the gate (over on North Island) that you want on. Very cool! The John C Stennis CVN74 is coming to town on August 26th. I hope I have helped. Christian D'Ambra Huntington Bch, Ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Dealey class DE Thanks to all who assisted me in my search for a Dealey class DE kit (there are none). Even though the results were negative, the assistance was and is greatly appreciated. Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: YHSAIO@aol.com Subject: Richelieu and other Questions Has anyone purchased the new Hi-Mold Richelieu? I'm assuming that this kit is of the same quality as their Nagato and Dorsetshire. I hope someone can comment on it. Is it the model the Richelieu as built or after her refit in 1943-44? Finally, can someone offer an objective comment as to whether I should order this kit through Hobbylink Japan? I have seen positive and negative comments about HLJ in SMML and was wondering whether I can order from them with confidence. Yunchi Hsaio ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: BChaucer@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: full hull to waterline >> Some of the new 1/350 kits coming out, are one piece full hull, now I have my eyes on one or two of them, but would like to present them on their watery element, how can I do this ? I was discouraged from the idea of sewing the hull, by some previous post, that advised against it, on the grounds that it could break. << Yes it is not difficult to do, and you do not have to saw the hull! First, build up and paint the hull, but don't bother with the props and rudders. Select and prepare your base. and arrange mechanical securityfor the ship. There are two basic ways to model water, and you can also combine both methods. 1 take a piece of ripple surface plastic large enough to cover the base. The plastic can be clear or blue. Make a template of the outline of the hull at the waterline and use it to make a cutout in the plastic where you want the ship positioned paint the underside of the plastic with your base water color and attach it to the base with spacers or standoffs so that when inserted, the hull hangs fom the rippled plastic with the keel brushing the base. Use a modeling gel or gesso to cover the plastic, fill the gaps between the hull and plastic and to create waves, bow wave and wake. After the gel or gesso dries paint and drybrush for effect. 2. Make a base with raised sides like a mold box. Attach the hull where you want it. If you want the hull removeable coat with a vasoline or other mold rlease material. Pour a molding compound around the hull over the base and fill to the waterline of the hull. As it is setting, sculpt the top surface or add material to form wake, bow waves and ocean surface activity. When set, paint and drybrush for effect. Note that one and 2 above can be combined to cut down tha amount of molding compound required. Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Re: Model plans First, thanks to those who sent me leads on plans of the Winslow. At PacMono, we spend about as much time on the kit instructions as we do on the kit itself, to the point where it sometimes seriously delays the kit! I know the feeling of wanting to get the kit out as soon as it starts popping out of the rubber, but that's only half the battle. I won't release a kit until I've already built a couple of them as well, and noted the construction problems on the instructions as well. Even so, we're shooting in the dark. If anyone has suggestions on how to improve our assembly instructions, please don't hesitate to let us know! Burl Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 A historical interpretation company. Visit our web site at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: New Address for the Federation of Small Scale Industries The Federation of Small Scale Industries has moved to its own domain name -- http://ScaleModels.org Now it'll be easier to get to. Check it out, particularly you small manufacturers. The FSSI cataloging system will be a great boon to anyone merchandizing kits. Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 A historical interpretation company. Visit our web site at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Alan Zelanski" Subject: Imperial Hobbies 1/700 scale ships. I noticed a posting here that said the new release from Imperial Hobbies of the never built British battleship St. Andrew was an improved re-release of the older kit of the never built Invincible. The two ships may look quite abit alike but they are not the same ship or kit. I have both kits and they have different size and shape hulls as the real ships would have had. Both are nearly the same in quality so the Invincible may have been upgraded as it is a nice kit. Both kits however do need parts from a 1/700 scale Rodney or Nelson to be completed. Alan Zelanski ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Tim Perry Subject: Instructions and Decals The 'Poor Instructions' thread seems to be generating a lot of interest and input. How about a register of 'proofing volunteers' from amongst the members of SMML to give a quick look-over the manufacturers instructions before they go to press; Gratis of course. A bit like a Beta release of software. There is obviously a wealth of experience and talent within our ranks, we ought to tap into it. Certainly count me in! For the record, I ran my own model business for 14 years, and worked recently as a tech author on Airbus 300, 310, 330/40. I now work for an industrial design outfit in their modelmaking workshop, so I can read, write and understand a drawing! Secondly if any manufacturers are looking for a good decal printer, get in touch with Ray Horwell at fantasyprintshop@btinternet.com. He will print short runs (25 sheets A5 size) if required and his work is very good. Vested interest declaired, I do artwork for him sometimes (CorelDRAW v7, output on film by Typestream Ltd, contact darren@typestream.demon.co.uk) but if you provide your own files, films or artwork I won't be involved! He is based in the UK, but E-mail knows no bounds, right? Tim Perry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "David P. Judy III" Subject: Re: Instructions/decals AMEN, Rusty Resin kits have traditionaly been "for experienced modelers", but as the subject matter is constantly growing more 'firstime' modelers are turning to the resin kits. Comparing injected kit inst. to resin kit inst. reveals a steady narrowing gap, but still a gap! All the resin kit mfgrs. are striving to match the injected kit quality. These resin kit mfgrs, are a blessing for us ship modelers who wish to build the subjects that large injected kit mfgrs. only issue when they feel they can sell 50,000 units! How long did it take to see a 1/350 Fletcher! I for one encourage ALL these mfgrs., the main reason being that I don't have the time to scratchbuild a complete model( I'm NOT retired yet!!) Well, there's my two cents! Again Rusty, AMEN! Dave Judy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: SantMin@aol.com Subject: decal suggestions >> Let me know what you ideas / opinions are! If some good ideas can be brought forth, maybe these things can become reality. << I make all my own decals (I still have a store of microscale decals on hand that would rival any hobby shop's supply) but as a suggestion, add to your list: Draft markings (in black and white) A tough one would be a list of generic ship names, or maybe a bunch of alphabets to make these. Bow shields and scrolls for those doing turn of the century ships Commission pennants Battle flags and banners How about a sheet of good looking wood decking !!! in both 1/700 and 1/350 Also a sheet of carrier decking with tiedown strips in both scales, natural color and blue stain. Also carrier decks for other nations A whole sheet of port holes in several sizes Cheers, Bob Santos ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Decals for ship models >> I would like to start a discussion on exactly what you folks would like to see for decals on your ship models. I know this is more of a problem in the resin kits than the plastic kits. OTOH, even the plastic kit decal sheets must have error/ommisions or are just plain showing their age. I am very interested in this discussion (for obvious reasons) and am looking for your input. Some stuff I would like to see for decals in my ship kits: 1. National Flags. 2. Signal Flags. These would be the international signaling flags. 3. Hull Numbers. Correct hull numbers for pre-war, wartime, and post-war. 4. Deck markings. << Yes, yes yes, and yes >> 5. No-skid patterns. << Great idea, especially for 1/700 scale. I would add: 6. "E"s - You could make the white E's with 4 hash marks (cut off hashes that don't apply) and Gold E's. Also, modern US ships seem to have red, green, blue, purple, and pink pokadot B-> E's on their superstructures. 7. At some point in the 1950's some US ships (USS Salem) had their number painted in white on a black field on a horizontal surface (top, Turret #2). 8. Ship's ribbons that are on a vertical suface near the bridge (battle awards, citations, campaigns) 9. Aircraft markings for helicopters and airplanes. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) U.S. Naval & Shipbuilding Museum, Quincy Massachusetts http://www.uss-salem.org/ (USS Salem model kit information available) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: RCClem@aol.com Subject: Re: Glencoe Corsair / ?Gloucester? I talked about 9 months ago to the head of Glencoe models. It was about the time they announced the release of their Corsair in its pre-Spanish American War form (John Pierpont Morgan's luxury yacht). He stated that Glencoe was considering issuing another kit as the USS Gloucester, the 786 ton converted yacht version of the Corsair during the S-A War. Its captain was Lieutenant Commander Richard Wainwright, who previously was the executive officer of the USS Maine until February 15, 1898 in Havana, Cuba. This ship and its captain served with distinction during the Battle of Santiago. I don't know what scale the Corsair is made, but it and the Gloucester would make a nice side-by-side display. I hope they are in 1/240, 1/225, 1/192 scale or larger. This would match some other models issued for S-A War naval ships. Roger Clemens Hinsdale, Illinois ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: RCClem@aol.com Subject: Re: Lone Star Models' USS Winslow @ 1/192 Ed Grune wrote a great review of his efforts in building the Lone Star Models' USS Winslow @ 1/192. I just received my kit and the two parts of the hull do not match at all. Ed stated that he had to use hot water and pressure to make his hulls match. Ed, Will you please describe in detail how you did this? I don't want my only option to be to return the kit. Roger Clemens Hinsdale, Illinois ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Hello from SeaPhoto Hi Everyone, As a new subscriber to this list, I thought I would introduce myself and my service. My name is Kurt Greiner, and I own SeaPhoto, a photo archive for those building ship models. I have taken the vast majority of pictures myself for the past ten years, and cover the current US Navy very thoroughly. I have also visited and documented most of the preserved warships in the US. I do have some foreign warships as well. The photos that seem to be the most popular are those that I take from the Golden Gate Bridge, as a ship passes under. This will have to substitute for my private helicopter until finances allow... I try and shoot a mosaic as the ship passes, which shows a lot of details. I also have many on board shots. I don't want to abuse the non commercial nature of this list, so if you have any questions about specific ships, or catalog availability you can email me direct at: mailto:SeaPhoto@aol.com I am a shipbuilder too, currently working on a 1/96 scale R/C USS John Paul Jones (DDG-53). Someday, I may even finish her! Cordially, Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Dave Carter Subject: We're Back!! Hallo again! Well, after a seriously FAB time in California, we're back to work... got back from the States yesterday evening. The Nationals were great... we met friends old and new, and were extremely busy throughout the whole event. I was left with laryngitis and a hangover... too much talking, too much Woods Navy rum!! We will try to answer everyone's E-Mails a.s.a.p. We had 280 messages awaiting our return and a mountain of back orders so will attempt to catch up over the next week or two, and the computer's telephone socket was knackered until this afternoon... and.. especial thanks to Tom Cleaver, NAVIS editor and Aeronut owner, for Dave's brilliant trip in the Yellow Peril.. whattaguy! Or maybe to John Snyder for putting on his sailor suit that still fitted him after 30 years... probably comparable to seeing Colin Ritchie in a kilt!! Many thanks to everyone's hard work, and the dedication of Chris Buchowltz and, not least, to the attendees, that made the 1998 Nationals such a brilliant event for ourselves, and, I am sure, for everyone. Cheers for now, Caroline and Dave Carter WEM http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Books & Videos For Sale I have the following books for sale. Price in US $; postage not included. BOOKS: (Hard cover unless otherwise noted) Bluewater Sailor / Don Sheppard / $ 10.00 On Watch / Elmo Zumwalt / $ 4.00 USS Saratoga / Jane Tanner / $ 10.00 Threshold of War / Waldo Heinrichs / $ 7.00 Dauntless / Barrett Tillman / $ 6.00 Shield of the Republic / Michael Isenberg / $ 10.00 One Hundred Years of Sea Power / George W. Baer / $ 10.00 The Dignity of Danger / Everard Meade / $ 5.00 The Pueblo Surrender / Robert A. Liston / $ 6.00 The Lost Ships of Guadalcanal / Robert Ballard & Rick Archbold / $ 15.00 Seapower: Coalition & Iraqi Navies / Peter Gilchrist / $ 5.00 (soft) Digital Soldiers / James F. Dunnigan / $ 8.00 Making the Corps / Thomas E. Ricks / $ 15.00 Keepers of the Sea / Fred J. Maroon & Edward Beach / $ 20.00 Dictionary of American Naval Aviation Squadrons (Vol. 1) / Roy A. Grossnick/ $ 20.00 Injured Honor: The Chesapeake-Leopard Affair / Spencer Tucker & Frank Reuter / $ 12.00 Silent Chase / Rebecca Barnes (ed.), Yogi and Steve Kaufmann (photo) $15.00 Destroyers of World War Two / M. J. Whitley / $ 20.00 Warships of the Second World War / Bernard Fitzsimmons (ed) / $ 5.00 (soft) D-Day / Warren Tute / $ 5.00 The Only Thing to Fear / David Poyer / $ 10.00 Warships of WW1: #3 – Destroyers [UK] / Ian Allan / $ 5.00 (soft) Americans at War / Stephen E. Ambrose / $ 15.00 Blood and Bushido / Bernard Edwards / $10.00 Charlestown Navy Yard / US Park Service / $5.00 (soft) America, Roosevelt, and World War Two / Sean Cashman / $8.00 VIDEOS: In Which We Serve (UK) / $ 10.00 Battleship Potemkin (USSR) / $ 15.00 Contact me for specifics... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume