Subject: SMML21/09/99VOL675 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:21:28 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Holiday snaps.... 2: RN Carriers 3: Re: Passenger Lists - 1912 4: Hurricane Floyd, or, I was an LCP captain 5: Titanic Connection 6: Priming PE 7: Re: Gray or Grey 8: Re: One more painting photo etch (I promise) 9: Re: Passenger lists 10: New Kits 11: Model Shipwright Magazine 12: Re: SG Thinner 13: USS Panay review 14: Mothballs 15: Pretty & ugly and current projects 16: Re: Painting PE 17: Ready made display cases 18: Re: Pearl Harbor Movie 19: NMM Trip 20: ALAS, NO HAVEN 21: Re: Painting Photoetch 22: Liner recommendations 23: White Star passenger lists. 24: Dull coat haze 25: Re: Grey or Gray? 26: Painting photoetched brass 27: Austro-Hungarian liner "Baron Gautsch" 28: Prep for Etch 29: Re: CAM ships 30: Aussie SMMLie video warning -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Trivia #3 2: For Sale 3: Ship Model Exchange/ Cheep Chux Ship Swap -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Douglas Martin" Subject: Holiday snaps.... Folks: A query, I have taken various snap shots of H.M.S. Belfast and other 'model' ships whilst visiting London with a bog standard camera (Pentax 738G). I had them developed as normal 4*6" prints by 'Boots', what is the best way of getting these shots put up on a website? I dont have a scanner or a website, but I was 'thinking' about donating them to the 'Warship' site or anybody else who might be interested as jpg files - but only if this was possible without going to extreme/costly lengths. There are 30 pics, and I'm looking for information only at this point. Just a thought, Douglas (Scotland) Hi Douglas, The cost should only be postage to whoever wants them & can scan them in, then return them. After that, uploading to any site is pretty easy. I'd be happy for some of them to go up on the SMML site as well. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Douglas Martin" Subject: RN Carriers The RN CVs of the Illustrious class were designed to carry 36 A/C and this limit was increased to 54 by the use of 'out-riggers' and deck parks. The number of hanger decks and size thereof, plus armoring cut down the aircraft capacity, the Ark Royal was designed for 72 but had a working capacity of 60 - although I'm not sure we ever had 60 A/c available in the first instance. The Indomitable was modified during construction, when it was recognised that '36' were considerably understrength, to include a lower 'half-hanger' and the last 2 Indefatigable and Implacable were able to operate up to 81 (designed as 48) A/c by the end of the war using deck parks and out-riggers. Pictures show the countersunk 4.5" A/A guns above the deck level, as they were required to be able to fire across the decks. More details can be found in the various books on RN CVs. Armored flight decks and the like did save the ships from almost certain destruction in the Med and later from Kamikaze attack. Douglas (Scotland) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: Passenger Lists - 1912 Jeff: I don't know whether they were still doing it in 1912, but in the 19th century many newspapers published the lists of passengers arriving by ship. Have you tried the Boston papers? John (wearing my historian hat) Snyder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Hurricane Floyd, or, I was an LCP captain The flood waters have receded, and we're recovering in Jersey, at least my town. Sad as it is, I've never been in a real Federal "Disaster Area", unless of course you consider my workshop :-P For those of you who followed the storm, Bergen County was hit hard. Bound Brook, Lodi, and Totowa were virtually underwater. Film footage showed a State Police motor boat cruising down Main St. Trekking home on Thursday as the storm was hitting, I was contemplating fording a small lake in the middle of Route 46...I watched as a helpless Saturn coupe wallowed and drowned, the driver climbed up through the sunroof to avoid getting her feet wet. There wasn't any danger, it was just a giant 3 foot deep puddle, but it was kinda funny watching her fall in...man, was she mad... I found a relatively shallow spot, 2 feet deep, and crossed. I actually had waves breaking over the hood of the car! I followed a big truck and rode in his wake, which prevented me from drowning my little Plymouth...so I've had my moment as an LCP (Landing Craft - Plymouth) captain. To all those who know about where I work and reside, and e-mailed and called, thank you for your concern. Glad I bought house on a hill. Jeff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Steven P. Allen" Subject: Titanic Connection >> Anyone got any good leads for passenger lists for the following? White Star Line, April 1912 Carpathia & Arabic Not sure where ships departed from, probably Queenstown (Cobh), arrived at Boston. G-Grandpa is turning 94, came across on Arabic (he thinks), his future wife on the Carpathia. Thought it would be a neat B-day gift to have a framed copy... << Carpathia? April 1912? I know there are lists of the passengers she picked up mid-ocean, but I don't know of a published list of HER passengers. . . Would Cunard records like that still exist? Of all the passenger lists ever made up, at least that one is most likely to survive. What a connection to history! D'ya think you can get G-Grandpa to dictate the stories to you? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: KDur597268@aol.com Subject: Priming PE Just to double up and add yet another infinitely small variation to the thread, what I've always done with my aircraft PE, some of which requires a fair bit of bending, is wash it in laquer thinner and then give it a quick spray of Duplicolor automotive lacquer primer right out of the can. Has a very fine velvety mist, just as good and thin as anything I can do with an airbrush. Easy, and it works for me. Sever bends do sometimes require touching up, of course. Ken Durling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Gray or Grey Thanks for the input but I'm still a bit confused. Looking at any modern naval vessel, the Haze Gray (or Grey) has a noticeable blue tint (I assume tinted with Navy Blue) compared to say the grays used on US military air craft. Is this because of the Naval Blues used since WW 2? If this is true, shouldn't I tint my Haze gray (or Grey) with Navy Blue? How about it John? Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://warship.simplenet.com/Flagship.htm "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: One more painting photo etch (I promise) This will be the last suggestion from me about this so I'll stop boring you guys. One thing that helps me is to mix the paint very thin when coating photo etched parts. What causes paint flake is lack of "tooth" for the paint to adhere to and the thickness of the coat of paint. In short, the thinner the coat of paint, the less likely flaking will occur. I don't recommend applying a primer coat since you're only thickening the fine lines of the photo etch, but if it works for you, go for it. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Passenger lists Dear Famous Author, Try the National Archieves in New York City. They also have warship photos. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: New Kits I have been told that a whole string of new resin kits in 1/350th scale are coming out in the not too distant future. Is this correct? If so then what are the titles? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Art Herrick" Subject: Model Shipwright Magazine Hello SMMLies, Ref: SMML, Vol..674, 20/9/99, Message 8, from Erwin Van Deynze. Talked to Lois Roth (915 584-2445) at The Dromedary Ship Model Center, on 16 Sept., she handles my subscription to Model Shipwright magazine (MSM.) Called her because the last issue I received of MSM was No. 106, Dec. 1998? My subscription renewal notice is received in August every year, and I had received none? Lois says no one has received No. 107 (March) and 108 (June) issues. She has tried to reach the new publishers and they will not reply. Lois is not accepting any subscription renewals and has no answers as to what the new publishers plans are!!! Lois did tell me she had been notified that the MSM subscription rate was going to be increased to $54 !!!! I, like a lot of other people, will miss this publication and Conway's books ... but they sound like a thing of the past. Art Herrick Westmoreland, New Hampshire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Bill Rowe Subject: Re: SG Thinner The thinner for super glue is acetone. Acetone was, and still may be, sold as nail polish solvent. The open cup flash point is 15°F, but one only uses small amounts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Alberto Rada" Subject: USS Panay review Hi I am starting the USS Panay and would like to make a small review of the kit, first of all the USS Panay is wonderful choice, as this ship Has an interesting story, a good book written on it " The Panay Incident " by Hamilton Darby Perry and also it inspired the film "The Sand Pebbles" staring Steve McQueen. For References I have only been able to obtain, the kit's instructions, a not all that clear profile you get in the book, several photos therein And several photos of the 1/48 model at the Smithsonian Institute, taken by Dave Judy, which helped a lot, also the film's USS San Pedro Although with some big differences, it gives a good idea on colors and details, doors, windows, rails etc. The scale chosen for the model is perfect, as you can detail quite a bit and still end with not such a big model. The resin casting is perfect, the photoetch could not be better and you get also some white metal parts. I will agree with Bradford that obtaining the same thickness on the 3 upper deck pieces and joining them will pose a problem, but not something That can not be overcome. One very nice novelty in resin models is that you get a transfer with several flags and "USS Panay" 's , I hope this will encourage other manufacturers to copy. All I can add is that I liked this kit so much, that I put it in front of many other queuing up to be made. My 5 cents SALUDOS Alberto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Suvoroff@aol.com Subject: Mothballs >> Also I think a lot of modelers that like to do a lot of weathering should consider doing a ship in "mothballs" - I think a perfect candidate would be the Escort BUCKLEY. Most of them sat in mothballs so long that outwardly the looked awful in some cases the were almost completely rust color, or depending upon where they were stored they were almost bleached white (as in the case of the CLG, USS OKLAHOMA CITY). No two ever seemed the same no matter what class they were, missing radar, guns, part cut off or out in many cases and just left that way - and if they were cared for, they would have a lot of splotches of "Red Lead", - railings and rigging usually in bad shape also. << The old Halibut was in mothballs so long before she was scrapped, that there was quite a lot of grass growing out of the free-flood holes in the casing. Yours, James D. Gray -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Linda & David Orzel" Subject: Pretty & ugly and current projects Shane and Mike Here I go, combining topics again, but OH WELL! As beauty (and its converse) are in the eye of the beholder, here is my individual opinion. This is looks only, not fighting quality. Ugliest BB of WWII goes hands down to the Nelson. She looks ungainly and unbalanced. Fuso's superstructure and too many turrets make her a close second. Ugliest CV goes to the prereconstruction Kaga, although the Furious and Akagi are close. Ugliest CA/CL of WWII goes to Koln class, although York's superstructure puts her in for (dis)honorable mention. Most beautiful WWII BB/BC has to go to either the Iowa class or Bismarck class, depending on whether you think a 3 turreted ship has a classic look. Hood get honorable mention with Vanguard. CV looks is close between the Victorious and Essex, with the Brit edging in, but the woefully inadequate air arm! (I know I said looks only) CA/CL goes to Cleveland, symetry, grace, power and speed. Prinz Eugen second. Belfast would have been in running if not for the offet guns in her turrets. Ugliest Pre WWII BB goes to the 5 Bovet half sisters. Beauty goes to Queen Elizabeth class as in WWI before any reconstruction. Honorable mentions to Colorado/Tennessee and Baden. All have the "classic" look. As for current projects: Just started a conversion of 1/600 Warspite Airfix kit to Valiant. In final phases of completion on a scratch built 1/1200 russian Tri Svititelia, and finishing hull for HMS Dreadnought of 1880s. Have a Heller Jeane D'Arc and Suffren in 1/1200 kits to start on soon, but as in this scale, my collection is waterline, I have to get rid of the underside of the hull. Same problem with started CVN Enterprise in same scale. Any suggestions on how to remove the hull without damaging finish and detail? One previous attempt with scroll saw was not satisefactory as resulted in some "melt". Have considered attmpting "scoring" and hand saw, but welcome suggestions from more experienced modelers. David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: Painting PE >> Loren recommends essentially a super cleaning to degrease using MEK or lacquer thinner, however the real problem is as you say the shininess or to put it another way the fine finish on the metal. Has anyone tried a _Brief_ acid or etchant bath prior to painting to matte the surface and provide more tooth for the paint to adhere to?? << As I mentioned in my previous post last SMML issue, I have had good success with using Radio Shack PCB Etchant. The brass noticeably darkens with a 20-30 second soak. Rinse with lots of water, dry and paint. Be very careful with the PCB Etchant, follow bottle precautions. Bought it up at the ol' Meriden Square Mall (Note to other SMMLies: although we have never met, Bradford and I live all of 6 miles apart in Connecticut). Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Marc Flake Subject: Ready made display cases Hey SMMLers: I was at one of the local hobby shops Saturday (the one near the Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth) and found someting of interest in the dispaly cases. It seems that ERTL now makes a display case for HO scale tractor-trailer rigs (aka. semi's, don't what their called in other parts of the world). The internal measurements are a little more than 15 inches by 3 inches. In my collection, the only thing that wouldn't fit in there is the Lexington (Ship-wise, that is). Combined with the Jo-Han Twin Pack-size display case that is just right for most DE's and DD's, there's a ready-made display case for almost any 1/700 scale ship. Marc Flake Mansfield, TX (Where we fired up the Bar-B-Q over the weekend and wondered -- while the steaks sizzled -- how the Aussies keep the shrimp from falling through the grill.) Hi Marc, Grills - what are they ;-)). We normally use a hotplate over an open fire(if you're lucky) to BBQ our meat. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Marc Flake Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Movie I've been discussing this movie with a friend of mine in the movie business and I'm not impressed. This will be by the same guys who made Armageddon, who are promising more of a "love interest" than was seen in "Tora, Tora, Tora!" If they're idea of romance is exemplified by Armageddon, I may loose my lunch. I've also read some quotes where Brukheimer (or whatever his name is) says the sinking of the Oklahoma will have the battleship "jumping and twisting" out of the water when it is hit. (Shades of Shamu) Why can't they make a movie out of the Battle off Samar? Or Savo Island? Like I told my friend, there are hundreds of better stories out there. Marc Flake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: NMM Trip Greenwich National Maritime Museum Visit I thought , since various SMMLies took the time to reply to my enquiry re the museum, I thought I'd jot down my impressions. First, we went up river by boat, takes approx. 1 hour from central London, a highly enjoyable experience, and by buying your museum tickets with the boat tickets you save a pound of two. In general, it lived up to some of the fears expressed about the museum's "lurch" towards a modern Experience type museum. The overall effect is of a large and fairly anodyne exhibition that has only a peripheral connection to the sea. A healthy dose of PC is also on display especially in the Trade and Empire section, OK a shameful part of our history here in the UK, but the overall effect is one of a grovelling apology for the Empire as a whole. I'll leave others to judge if that's wholly justified. The only display I spent a lot of time in was the Seapower section, and this retains a feel of the older traditional museum. A number of superb models, including the 14 foot KG5, 1982 Hermes, a 200th scale Bismarck, and various others. There is a stern piece of one of the boats from Hood washed up in Ireland in 1942 which I found deeply moving. There are lots of paintings, and material illustrating the Royal Navy's involvement in the 1st and 2nd World Wars. One new exhibit I loved was Robin Knox Johnston's ketch Suhali with which he sailed round the world single handed, non-stop in 1967-8. I read his book of the voyage in school, and I've followed his career since. It's a a tiny vessel, and the thought of taking through the roaring forties fills me with terror! One other notable mention, the Liners exhibit contains some wonderful models of cruise liners through the years, and enough artefacts to get a feel of the days of cruising at the turn of the century, (and only a small bit of it covered Titanic) Due to the weather, typical English summers day,(pouring), we cut our exploration of Greenwich a touch short, but found the book and model shop. Overall both pretty interesting, but I kept my spending in check, for Hannants the following day. Overall pretty good, but not exceptional, and I think somewhat diluted in impact . If you want to look at model ships, the Science Museum is now a better bet, with the Glasgow Transport Museum a close second, (they have the original works models of Hood and many others). Still HMS Belfast looked good after her re-fit. Colin Ritchie Aberdeen Scotland, (where its raining, for a change!) PS The Museum just took custody of some of Capt. Scott's artefacts from the 1912 expedition, including his sledge pennant. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Dave Baker Subject: ALAS, NO HAVEN For Michael Donegan: The HAVEN kit would have to have considerable surgery done for it to represent one of the MARAD C-4 transport conversions, which had one less deck than the hospital ship versions of what was originally a very large engines-aft/bridge forward cargo ship class. My photo collection is in storage for the next couple of months while we move to a new home, so I'm afraid I can't be more specific. A good place to seen photos and small-scale drawing would be the reproduction of the ONI-222 (I think that 's the correct pub number) U.S. NAVAL VESSELS from 1945 that was published a couple of years ago by Schiffer and edited by Samuel Loring Morison. There are also a couple of photos in the small Paul Silverstone book about USN warships of WW II. Best/Dave Baker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Painting Photoetch Hi SMML, I think one another way to avoid flaking paint on photoetch is to attach them to the model before painting them and then spray paint the model, rails and all, before painting the deck and other parts of the model. The method has its drawbacks, such as making it harder to paint the decks, but I think it avoids a lot of handling of already-painted photoetch. For what it's worth.... Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: kenny_II Subject: Liner recommendations I've seen recently a couple of comments about Glenco's larger liner kits being less than spectacular. I'm kind of in the mood to pick up one of these kits i.e. France, Norway, United States, among others. Any thoughts from you guys on which kit(s) in 1/450 or larger are good/accurate. I'm not very particular on which liner or manufacturer, the scale and accuracy are more important. My 'accurizing' project on the Arizona is starting to wear me down, so a change of pace is in order before I go over the edge. Thanks, Tim Hi Tim, Check out International Maritime Minitures at: http://members.tripod.com/~Febus65/imm.htm Felix has IIRC, reviews of the above ships & more. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: dhjonespsm@juno.com Subject: White Star passenger lists. If they exist - which I doubt, try contacting the Titanic Historical Society. They would know one way or the other, and could direct you to any potential sources. The Titanic Historical Society Inc. P.O. Box 51053 208 Main Street Indian Orchard, MA 01151-0053 Web site: (I have not tried this) titanicinfo@mail.titanic1.org The web site is probably strictly limited to Titanic lore - but the society gets into a lot of other areas, including other White Star ships. Good luck. Daniel H. Jones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Dull coat haze Hi group, I don't normally flat coat my models, but due to a rather glossy finish of one of the colours on the Belfasts hull, I am forced to. I use the Testors Dullcote from the bottle thinned with rubbing alcohol for use in my airbrush. The last time I used this stuff it left a white haze all over my Ark Royal, totally ruining it. Can somebody please tell me what might have went wrong. Did I not thin it enough or what? Is there another product that anyone can recommend that is better and less troublesome? Thanks. Keith Butterley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: Shane Weier Subject: Re: Grey or Gray? Hi all, >> According to Webster, the words are interchangeable, with "gray" being the preferred spelling. The definition for both is an achromatic color of any lightness between the extremes of white and black. So, gray is grey is gray. << ..and according to the OED, Macquarie and others "grey" is the correct spelling and "gray" is a 'North American useage". Or in other words, "grey" for native English speakers and "gray" for those of you in USA who have English as a second language ;-) ...but grey is indeed gray. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: HST Subject: Painting photoetched brass Hi folks, I'd like to add a hint about painting photoetched brass parts: Try to heat the part to be cured over a gas cigarette lighter until the material glows red. When cooled down, the surface will be a little bit more "teethy" to take paint. The disadvantage of this method is that the material turns very soft and can be easily bent after the heating procedure, so be careful when treating masts, railings, propeller shafts etc. Herwig Strauss, Villach/Austria -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: HST Subject: Austro-Hungarian liner "Baron Gautsch" Hi folks, Does anybody have information, plans etc. regarding the Austro-Hungarian passenger ship "Baron Gautsch" that was sunk by a mine in the Northern Adriatic on August 13th, 1914? I've been doing a little bit of research that can be viewed at: http://dive.kingston.net/barong.htm, but I would greatly appreciate any additional information. Thanks, Herwig Strauss, Villach/Austria -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "Bruce Buchner" Subject: Prep for Etch I use a product that I purchased in the model railroad dept. of my local hobby shop called "Blacken-It". It is a chemical blackener for brass and other metals. Soak your etch in it for about 30 seconds and blot dry and it turns a beautiful flat black without any buildup. It acts as a primer for painting and if you miss any spots or flake off paint while bending it shows through as black and not shiny. Bruce Buchner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: "Chris Drage" Subject: Re: CAM ships Hi John, >> None of the CAM ships pictured in Kenneth Poolman's _The Catafighters and Merchant Aircraft Carriers_ appear to be in anything but a solid color. << Check out the amazing aerial photo of the the Empire Darwin in Allied Escort Carriers of WWII - an amazing dazzle pattern carried over onto the weather deck! However, I must agrere with John most photos do show the 'standard' overall grey. >> (Incidentally, we've been offered a sample of the grey used on British merchant ships. Should we accept and include it in RN Set 2 << YES PLEASE! If it looks accurate and not spurious in any way. Incidentally, the HP models 1:700 CAM ship, isn't. Nothing like any CAM ship I have photos of. The bow is completely wrong for starters. Regards, Chris He tao rakau e taea te karo, tena he tao kupa kaore e taea te karo......(Te Reo Maori) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Shane Subject: Aussie SMMLie video warning Hi gang, On SBS at 1930 22/09/99 (at least for NSW) there's a show called "History's Turning Points: The Battle of Tsushima". The blurb says it's to do Japans modernisation of it's navy. I haven't seen it before, so can't comment on it. But it sounds interesting enough to set the video for. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Jeff Herne" Subject: Trivia #3 The last Japanese HEAVY CRUISER to be sunk was the IJN Ashigara, sunk by the HMS Trenchant on 8 June, 1945. Bonus point! Her recorded position at the time of her sinking was 1 degrees, 59 minutes South, 104 degrees, 57 minutes East. There were several answers for Myoko, Tone, and Aoba. These ships did not 'sink' in the literal term. While classified as losses, they were nevertheless recovered and scrapped or scuttled. The correct responses were from: Richa5011@aol.com - 2pts. John.Sutherland@amcom.co.nz - 2pts. YHSAIO@aol.com - 2pt. sarup@intnet.mu.com -1pt. The standings through 3 rounds: Richa5011@aol.com - 3pts. YHSAIO@aol.com - 3pts. John.Sutherland@amcom.co.nz - 2pts. Christopher.Herron@PSS.Boeing.com - 1pt. sanartjam@aol.com - 1pt. TheHenrys@aol.com -1pt. sarup@intnet.mu. - 1pt. Next question: The last ship present at Pearl Harbor on December 7th 1941, to be sunk in combat was the USS ____________. She was lost on ____________. Bonus Point! This ship carried 2 high ranking officers during the bombardment of the Los Negros Islands on February 28, 1944. Name these 2 officers. Good Luck! Jeff Remember, all replies to mailto:jherne@hotmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Derek Frost Subject: For Sale Am not sure if I have the correct address for SMML, but hope so. Would like to place an 'ad' if at all possible. Derek Frost:- Book list available upon request of Nautical books for sale. Postage extra & prices quoted in $US. Among the titles are:- ANATOMY OF A SHIP SERIES."THE CRUISER BARTOLOMEO COLLEONI". Vg. $34.50 "ATOMIC SUBMARINES". Norman Polmar. 1963. $5.00 "AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN BATTLESHIPS:. P . Kemp. 1991 ed. vg.$26.00 "BATTLESHIP. DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT 1905-1945". N. Friedman. 1978. vg. $25.00 "BRITISH NAVAL ARMAMENTS". R. Smith, editor. 1989. $22.00 "ECLIPSE OF THE BIG GUN. THE WARSHIP 1906-45". D.K. Brown New. $40.00 "REGIA MARINIA. ITALIAN BATTLESHIPS OF WORLD WAR TWO. A PICTORIAL HISTORY. 1989 edition.new $8.00 WARSHIPS SPECIAL EDITION. No.3. CHINESE WARSHIPS. Polish text. New. $10.00 FROM RUSSIA "MOLTKE AND GOBBEN GERMAN CRUISERS WW1". New. $14.00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Ship Model Exchange/ Cheep Chux Ship Swap Hi Guys; I just found a new list on OneList called "Figuretrade". Let`s use this for ship model trading. It will sure save me a lot of typing! And we will have an archive to use. http://www.onelist.com/community/figuretrades ONElist : Games : Miniatures : figuretrades I will be sending in a list of 1:6000 Hallmarks to exchange in the near future. Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume