Subject: SMML14/12/99VOL759 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:19:45 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Re: What do they do at sea? 2: Re: Cutting Metal Rod 3: Enterprise lighting in the hangar deck 4: What they did 5: Hornet's Dauntlesses 6: Re: The ship that Cher served on 7: S/E-boat and cutting metal 8: Re: What did they do at Sea 9: Plastic Ship Modeler Magazine 10: Re: 1.1" Quads, was Hornet's Compliment, June 1942 11: YORKTOWN AIRCRAFT 12: Re: What do they do? 13: Cher and a 16 inch gun 14: What did they do at Sea!!! 15: Re: 1.1" mounts 16: More About Fujimi Carriers 17: What did they do? and Cher on a BB 18: Re: Sterling Missouri 19: Dancing on the Deck 20: Re: Lindberg USS Yorktown/Boxer 21: HELP WITH HORNETS COMPLIMENT.. COMPLIMENTS 22: list 23: USS Indianapolis, CA-35 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: NEW BOOK OFFERS FROM WEM 2: Web site updates 3: Hotmail subscribers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Re: What do they do at sea? Well, I would imagine that Japanese sailors would have done pretty much the same things as US, German, British, Italian, Australian, etc. sailors would have done on a WWII battleship. While underway, there would be a large number of sailors on watch on the superstructure at the binocular posts, men manning the AA guns, a couple of officers on the bridge, etc. if you were to depict the ship during battle (ie. at general quarters). If you were to depict the ship with her crew a bit more relaxed, you would still have all of the above, but also you would have men cleaning the decks and guns, and doing maintenance work on the ships fittings. Work on the float planes would have probably been done in the hanger, but it would not be far-fetched to show it on the deck (maybe they are preparing a launch?). You could also depict men excercising on the deck. They could be lined up in rank and file being led by someone through stretching routines or you could depict a wrestling match with a small crowd of spectators forming a ring around the opponants. On a Japanese ship, this would probably be sumo wrestling, but would look the same as any other similar activity that occurred on other countries' ships (greco-roman wrestling, boxing, etc) in this scale. Try to find photos of any WWII ship underway with the crew visible and you will get a sense of where the men are and what they are doing. You can also find some books written by former crewmembers that describe the day-to-day routine. 'Pacific War Diary' is a good example. It is written by a crewmember of the USS Montpelier, a Cleveland class cruiser, and really gives you a feeling for what the enlisted man's life was like on these ships (very routine, tiring, and generally full of boring work). Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: SeaPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: Cutting Metal Rod Micro Mark sells a powered cut off wheel that uses abrasive discs. It is a miniature version of the unit that contractors use to cut rebar and steel studs. The cutting unit is mounted above a vice that holds the material securely. I have found it invaluable in my modeling - will cut through 3/16 stainless shafting with no trouble, and leaves a finely ground end on the part. You can view the little critter by following this link: http://www.dxmarket.com/micromark/products/15218.html Kurt Greiner SeaPhoto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Terry Sumner" Subject: Enterprise lighting in the hangar deck Hi SMMLies, For anyone who's ever built Tamiya's 1/350 Enterprise........ I've scratchbuilt the hangar deck and the roof of same and now I want to light it up! I want the lights to come through a zillion light fixtures in the ceiling as on the real thing. I thought about cutting many small rectangular hole to simulate the fixtures and then lay some "Lightsheets" over the top of the ceiling (which would have it sandwiched between the ceiling of the hangar deck and the bottom of the flight deck) This I think would work just fine but is going to be kind of expensive...somewhere around $200 U.S. I thought about using Fiber Optics, but I don't think I can get the fibers to bend over in such a small opening as the space is only about 1/16th of an inch. (about 1 1/2 mm) My final thought is to use a whole bunch of grain of wheat bulbs and just mount them into the ceiling and wire them all up, I think that is the way to go at this point. Anyone ever do this project? And if so, how did you do it? Any other ideas? TIA Terry Sumner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: What they did Hi Jens Japanese sailors did the same as any other nations sailors. Ship maintenance, gunnery drill and other nautical activities. There are several photos showing sailors activities in different books but Skulski's has some on board the Musashi which show various maintenance activities (there's always a lot to do on a ship). One thing they would not have done was use the exercise sub-calibre guns as neither Yamato or Musashi carried these. Uniforms were white or olive drab. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Hornet's Dauntlesses Hi James Tilman (SBD Dauntless units of World War 2) gives VS-8 as being equipped with 19 SBD-3. The Osprey title on Midway is actually full of errors and needs to be treated with a fair amount of caution. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Peter Hall" Subject: Re: The ship that Cher served on Hi Jens, I think the ship that you saw Cher performing on for a video was the USS Iowa back in 1989. I can still remember the beautiful lines and huge 16 inch barrels. The shots of the ship were not too bad either. All the best Peter Hall In the North East of England where it's bloody freezing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: S/E-boat and cutting metal Thanks for the suggestions for the derivation of 'E-boat'. The Eilboot sounds pretty credible to me, as it differentiates between S-boot and E-boat. Perhaps that is the true answer after all these years? For cutting metal rod, I use a cutting disk in a mini-drill. Square off one end first with the disk (it is some grey material with a rough surface) then cut the other end slightly long and grind down until it is the correct length. Alternatively, you can use cutters but the distortion can be a problem with some shapes - I use mainly U and I section stuff in my AFV modelling and the disk is really the only option there. In plastic, I use North West Short Line's Chopper, a miniature guillotine, and the same concern's True Sander to produce identical parts with squared off ends. The former is not feasible for metal parts however. Robert Lockie Cambridge UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: NAVYDAZE@aol.com Subject: Re: What did they do at Sea Probably the same thing all sailors do at sea when they are top side and that would be working - If it is the deck gang they are usually cleaning, painting, repairing as would the weapons department and some other like the D.C gang. One thing I did notice about the Japanese Navy is they did a lot of physical exercise probably near the fantails of the ship - that might be interesting. Mike Donegan NAVYDAZE Naval & Aviation Art. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com Subject: Plastic Ship Modeler Magazine Hi All, I was just wondering if anyone can tell me how they like Plastic Ship Modeler? I am looking for a new mag now that Model Ship Builder has gone away. I know they are different in that MSB had a lot of articles on wooden ships, but I still felt this was the type of Ship Modeling mag I wanted. Any help is appreciated. John Hi John, I can whole heartily recommend PSM, it has a good mix of reviews, ship builds & articles. Dan does an excellant job with it. Based on the small handful of MSBs I have though, PSM at the moment doesn't have the same amount of photos, esp in the build articles eg: the Belfast article of a few years ago had some wonderful shots of the Airfix kit "conversion". But that maybe the contributors fault there & not Dan's. I believe that's going to be changing in the near future. Check out my review of the last PSM in the Sept issue of Internet Modeller at: http://www.internetmodeler.com/sept99/new-releases/psm.htm Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Mark Shannon Subject: Re: 1.1" Quads, was Hornet's Compliment, June 1942 Charles Jarvis wrote: >> By the way, is there a good source of the 1.1" AA guns used through 1942? << A good source is the battleship U.S.S. Texas BB-35 in San Jacinto, Texas (near Houston). In the recent (1992-3) restoration work, one or two of these were installed on her fo'c'sle weather decks though not applicable to the rest of her fit (she's a bit of a jumble of outfits). I'm sure that there are many photos taken by list members in the area, I believe there was an article on the Warship site about a visit to the Texas earlier this year. Mark L. Shannon Christmas Carol for the Manic: "Deck the halls...and the walls, and the ceiling, and the windows, and the curtains, and the street, and the sidewalk, and the kids....." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Dave Baker Subject: YORKTOWN AIRCRAFT I would put my money on the figures in Bob Cressman's book. When not turning out excellent books and monographs on his own time, he works as a historian at the Naval Historical Center at the Washington Navy Yard, where he is in the contemporary history branch. He's worked there for decades and has direct access to the best available remaining records. Not all sources are equal. Not all authors are omnisient. Some good authors make errors. Some bad authors get it right on occasion. Caveat emptor! Best/Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Mike Connelley Subject: Re: What do they do? >> What did Japanese sailors do while the ship was at sea? Sushi break? Shark fishing? Martial arts practice? Preparing or repairing aircraft? Cleaning weapons? BTW, I am building Yamato after her 1944 refit. << Howdy: I took a look at the pictures in my Fuso and Yamato books. And yes, martial arts practice is one of them. There's a picture on the Fuso faintail practicing kendo and perhaps aikido or karate, with a large crowd watching. In other photos there are just a bunch of guys more or less standing around. There's an interesting photo on the Fuso when they're going firing excersizes with the main guns and there are sailors standing on the turrets and on the platforms on the barrels them selves (that must be some ride when the gun fires!). In the photos in the Yamato book, the sailors in the pictures don't appear to be doing anything in particular. There is, however, one photo showing about 80 sailors on the forecastle of Musashi during her trials, standing in rows apparently getting a lecture or doing excersizes or something. Personally, I always wanted to make a few guys sitting on the ends of the guns cowboy style cleaning the guns. Cheers Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "James Kloek" Subject: Cher and a 16 inch gun Cher sang on the Missouri in 1989. According to Stillwell's Missouri book at one point she "sat astride a 16" gun, an obvious phallic symbol". Now there is a diorama possibility, only maybe in a larger scale. By the way, the book has a photograph of the event showing Cher singing. She is wearing a jacket to cover her inappropriately (at least in some officer's opinion) skimpy outfit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Sven E Dorsey" Subject: What did they do at Sea!!! I might hazzard a guess if they were like us it was hours of boredom only they had the very real possibility of dying,and in the end did. My Navy at sea was during the early sixties and combat was not in the cards in the Atlantic. Awake at 6 or already on watch dress and eat "turn to" and sweep fore and aft. mop and wax. Drill at stations, do the things ships always need. Chip and paint. Move stores, stand watch ," BATTLE STATIONS, BATTLE STATIONS ,ALL HANDS MAN YOUR BATTLE STATIONS. Do it again not fast enough!!! There was time off ,meals, movies then there was replenishment at sea always an adventure!! and Then sweep down again. "lights out sleep a couple of hours till watch. and start again. But I wouldn't change a minute of it!. Try it you might like it. Then there was shore liberty but that is a story unto itself. There is much more but that is it in a nutshell. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Duane_C" Subject: Re: 1.1" mounts The Floating Drydock has some truely excellent drawings of the quad 1.1" mount. It runs around $20.00 or so, if memory serves me. These are large scale drawings from all angles, including dimentions. These look to be BUORD working plans, not just a data sheet. Highly recommended! Duane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Ralph & Karen Batykefer" Subject: More About Fujimi Carriers Does anyone have any other information concerning the Kitty Hawk and Connie? Things like: - detail in the hanger bay? - double hull in the hanger bay door areas? - option for raised/lowered blast deflectors and elevators? - quantity of each aircraft provided? - photoetch provided in the kit? - accuracy? - who offers it for sale? Sounds interesting but expensive. May have to save a while... Has anyone offered a review of the kit? Ralph Batykefer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: What did they do? and Cher on a BB Us Sailors spend time topside cleaning, chipping, painting, fixing various equipment and finding new and exciting places to hide from the Ensigns. (No sense trying to hide from a Chief they can sense junior enlisted men.) We also spent time topside, when not engaged in productive work, just plain "goofing off": playing cards, throwing a baseball or football around, playing music, sun bathing or writing home. I figure Sailors are Sailors regardless of what flag they serve under. I have seen photos of Japanese sailors playing music and engaging in wrestling matches. Cher was seen dancing (?) on an Iowa Class. I believe the Wisconsin. VH1 runs a show called "Pop Up Videos" which lists all sorts of fun facts about various videos while they are playing. Back to my T-2, Doc Wiseman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: Re: Sterling Missouri >> * I thought I saw an ad that Gold Metal Models had a photo-etch set for the Sterling Missouri. And, of course, HR Products has many weapons and fittings. (A few resin cast bits, and we won't need the Sterling kit at all :) ) << So the ideal 1/192 scale "Sterling" Misouri is: A scale shipyard fiberglass hull, with weapons and fittings from GMM and H-R. Of course you'll need plans from Floating Drydock, too...... No wonder the kit is going out of production! BTW, I saw one on the shelf at Hobby Emporium, in Tyngsboro, Mass. They wanted One Hundred and something dollars for it-- I forget the price. Bill Check out my US Coast Guard subjects model list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Dancing on the Deck Jens... Cher did her video to "If I could turn back time" on the deck of USS Missouri. Real interesting the way she was straddling that center 16/50 barrel on the #2 Main gun turret. I have the video around here somewhere, but I couldn't find it as of this writing (so consider this from memory). Dasvidanya! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar2@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: RCClem@aol.com Subject: Re: Lindberg USS Yorktown/Boxer Craig caught my typo. My decal set for the Lindberg Yorktown is actually for the USS Boxer CV-21. My note of the other day incorrectly stated CV-22. Some of you have mentioned "long-hull" and "short-hull" Essex Class CVs. I was unaware that there were two types. What are the vital statistics and example ship names of each type? I wish DANFS had pictures. Any web pages that might have pictures? Roger Clemens -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Simon Wolff" Subject: HELP WITH HORNETS COMPLIMENT.. COMPLIMENTS Hi you all.. To all those at SMML who kindly helped out by providing information on a/c compliment for the Hornet at Midway thank you very much, on behalf of a fellow modeller. He was over whelmed by the information supplied by SMML's. At first he thought, from the info supplied, that he would have to display the entire aircraft compliment on the flight deck.. regards Simon Wolff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Hank Christen" Subject: list I build steel Navy models in 1:96 scale. Do have a list? If so, what is the address? Hank Christen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: thorstenwahl@t-online.de (Wahl, Thorsten L.) Subject: USS Indianapolis, CA-35 Hi Gang, Just laid my eyes on a picture of USS Indianapolis. Well, I like the look and IŽd like to build a WW2 CA for a change. Can anybody point me to a good model (larger scales preferred this time) and some good books on the subject? My regular area of expertise is modern USN/USCG, so any help sure is appreciated. Thanks in advance Thorsten IPMS (UK) x1602 ŽAt least we donŽt name our ships for our mothers-in-law.Ž USS Reuben James to HMS Battleaxe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Caroline Carter" Subject: NEW BOOK OFFERS FROM WEM Hi Guys, We have a continuation and update on special book offers for the month, as follows... SMMLlie folks had to get the first gander of course! 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Many Thanks for your interest Caroline Carter WEM http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Mike" Subject: Web site updates Greetings, Shane has prompted me to tell you when I do some updates, so...... I've done some updates. OK - there's a Who's Who page with mugshots hidden away (hey, a little challenge!), more Archives are uploaded, & will be indexed for searching by the time you read this, more items in PicPost.......you get the drift! Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Shane Subject: Hotmail subscribers Hi gang, There still seems to be a problem with subscribers who have hotmail accounts, but it "seems" to be only affecting US subscribers at the moment. I'm getting the following error message: >> 216.33.151.136 failed after I sent the message. Remote host said: 554 Transaction failed << It seems to be only happenening every couple of days. Does anyone know of any hassles with Hotmail?. It's got me at a loss. Regards, Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume