Subject: SMML VOL 964 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:34:30 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Query 2: John Ericcson/Monitor Ericsson 3: Konigs shortcomings 4: Re: PT Boats 5: New York Daily News Online - You've got Sail, N.Y.C. 6: Les Wilkins 7: Re: Brookhurst Hobbies 8: D-Day Ships - The Allied Invasion 9: Re: PT Torpedo Attacks, etc. 10: Re: IPMS(USA) Nats 11: Re: PT Boat Attacks & Teruzuki 12: HMS Ocean & Happy 100th Birthday Aussie! 13: Re: For those going to Texas 14: Re: D-Day Colours/Schemes 15: If you plan to visit Texas soon, you should know these 16: Manitowoc Models 17: Re: WW1 photos & IJN Sub query 18: Movie "They Were Expendable" 19: Glencoe USS Oregon Photos 20: Fletcher in 1/192 scale 21: Re: 1:700 submarines 22: Re: IPMS Conv 23: Re: PT Boat Battles 24: Re: St Paul 25: Re: Hms Curacoa 26: Re: Fletcher Destroyer from Bluejacket 27: HMS Royal Sovereign 1/500 by Plastyk 28: HMS Hood Models- Thanks to Jon Iverson 29: HMS Hood Model Inputs- Bandai 1/200 scale kit 30: PT Torpedo Attacks 31: HMS Jersey, modern -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts 1: IPMS-Dallas SMML "Reception" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Warship Polish Books Update 2: Model Ship Journal-Subscriptions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Query I'm not very familar with kits of modern warships, so bear with me. Has anyone ever released a kits of the following vessels. Italian Audace cl missile destroyer Norwegian Oslo cl frigate Netherlands Kortenaer cl frigate Go Navy! _|_o_|_ Derek "Tiger" (/\)akefield /---(.](o)[.)---\ iscandar@chatter.com o oo O oo o http://www.iscandar-66.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Thorsbyg@aol.com Subject: John Ericcson/Monitor Ericsson In By Sea and River, The Naval History of the Civil War, Anderson, there are some references to this. A monitor is not referred to, but a "gunboat" USS Ericsson is. On July 8, 1863, it encountered the CSS Florida off nantucket. After a couple of shots, it hightailed into a fog bank because it was heavily outgunned according to the book. As for Jon Ericsson, he was a genius of naval architecture and was responsible for several naval developments. The Monitor was a Crimean War design, that when offered to the French was rejected but was acceptepted by the US. He is also responsible for a small raft-like attachment that was held by the bow anchor. This was supposed to clear obstructions (river branches, obstructions placed in water to mess up shipping by enemy). This was removed at Charleston from the Weehauken. If you seek additional sources, check the Official Records of the Union and Confederate navies in the War of the Rebellion. If there is more, it will be 1863 and later when John Ericsson became a "golden boy" for the US Navy as a result of his monitor invention. Best Regards. Gordon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Bill Code" Subject: Konigs shortcomings hello list, Listening to the conversations about the Icm kit being a bit of a mongel. This has me wondering about what I will need to finnish her as she looked at Jutland..Im going to cut to the WL so the underwater TT ect dont concern me. Any good books that show her in 1916 before the battle? As I also stated before Im thinking of using parts of a Konig to make a 1/350 Derfflinger same time frame.. Where could i find a set of plans for her. Be nice to find a book with pic of both these ships. regards Bill Code -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SMAtouche@aol.com Subject: Re: PT Boats Hi All For a lot of PT boat info try www.ptnasty.com/. And follow the various links from pre WW11 to present. Lots of good stuff for PT guys. Fair winds. Paul Shay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: New York Daily News Online - You've got Sail, N.Y.C. http://www.nydailynews.com/today/News_and_Views/City_Beat/a-72205.asp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Christopher Crofoot Subject: Les Wilkins >> Trying to find out if Les Wilkins models are still on display in Manitowac Wi. I still think his book on plastic ship building is the best around. << Rod, I live about 40 minutes away at Oshkosh and visited there last fall. Although there may be a few of his models there it didn't appear to be the number seen in the photos in his book. No expert but I believe that the museum has been redone/rebuilt since the publishing of that book and hence has all new displays. Chris -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: Re: Brookhurst Hobbies Can you give me their website/ Thank you. John Seattle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Mike Taylor" Subject: D-Day Ships - The Allied Invasion Above named book having been searched for and not found may I ask if you have this book and could you Give some examples? Just some Idea of what they looked like and what colors were used. I don't imagine if I got a close approximation that anyone would call me on it. Mike T -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: PT Torpedo Attacks, etc. I am currently researching this and will reply in the next few days with specifics. >> And don't forget the" Wacky Mac"! Torpedoed and sunk by a PT squadron just as the Pawnee was taking her in tow! << As an aside, when I served in USS BAINBRIDGE in the 60s, our Chief Boatswain's Mate had been aboard the McCAWLEY when she was torpedoed and sunk. You want to talk about a grizzled old salt! Wish now I'd gotten him to talk more about his WW2 experiences. >> A PT model of Experimental "Zebra Camouflage" Elco 80' PT (at http://www.ptboats.org/06-0-05-photos.html) would be fascinating. << No, make that "WILL be fascinating." That is my current project (if I can ever get my life under enough control to get some time for modeling again!). And that was not an experimental camouflage scheme: it was known as "Adaptor" camouflage and was applied to quite a number of PTs that served in both the Pacific and Med. It was also applied to the French cruiser GLOIRE when she refitted at a US shipyard. I have copies of the original Adaptor design sheets that even show the sizes of the stripes (most of which are tapered...groan!). Pray for my eyesight and sanity...no, forget the latter, it's been gone for some time now.... >> You are missing out on a lot of really interesting stuff, if you miss this show. Sorry, I will not be in Roman attire. << But I WILL be in uniform again (dress whites this time) or variously in my SMML T-shirt. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: yukikaze@speakeasy.org Subject: Re: IPMS(USA) Nats >> You are missing out on a lot of really interesting stuff, if you miss this show. Sorry, I will not be in Roman attire. << ..........Well, gosh, there is no point in me going then.......:-( hee hee!!! Quinn Bracken -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: PT Boat Attacks & Teruzuki Hi Norman, I'm not sure the information you have is conflicting; just because PT-109 didn't hit anything doesn't mean that other PT boats didn't get the Teruzuki. Most of my sources are packed up awaiting a move (arghhhh!), but one source stating that the destroyer Teruzuki was sunk by U.S. PT boats on 12-12-42 is Watts' "Japanese Warships of WWII." Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: Dave Swindell Subject: HMS Ocean & Happy 100th Birthday Aussie! A quick heads up for modern RN modellers - Model Boats magazine this month (July) has a photo feature on HMS Ocean, the helicopter carrier, approx. 70 colour photo's, part 2 of the photo coverage to be published in the August issue. After all the 4th July celebrations, for Shane & Lorna and all modellers Down Under, Happy 100th Birthday Australia! Dave Swindell Hi Dave, Thanks mate - much appreciated. Shane & Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Richa5011@aol.com Subject: Re: For those going to Texas >> 1. Save all manner of bacon grease. You will be instructed later how to use it. << You never told us what to do with the bacon grease... First timers in Texas should keep in mind that the state of Texas was once an independent nation in it's own right...and to many Texans, it still is. When I go the US IPMS Nationals in Dallas in a couple of weeks, it will be my fourth trip to Dallas this calendar year (the other three were on business and were in January, February and April...I'm really looking forward to this trip in July! Nat Richards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: Re: D-Day Colours/Schemes Mike wrote: >> I'm looking for photos of LCI's,LCT's,LSM's and LST's used during the invasion or someones suggestions for color's/ schemes. << Hi Mike I have a couple of references that include colour photographs of the period listed below. The shots in question are for the most part pretty clear (Kodak?) colour pictures taken at the time so, whilst not perhaps totally accurate in terms of tone, should give you a good starting point: D-Day by Brigadier Peter Young, Bison Books 1990 ISBN 0-86124-586-5 D-Day From the Beaches to the Liberation of France by Dr Stephen Badsey, Tiger Books 1993 ISBN 1-85501-390-8 It sounds like you are interested in some of the larger craft involved in the invasion, do you have anything specific in mind? For the actual invasion period the majority of the landing vessels were either dark grey for US operated craft and Western Approaches scheme (Blue/White) for GB operated craft. There would appear to have been a wide variety of shade for both schemes, as you will notice from the photographs, even of craft within a single shot. If you would like to contact me off list I'd be happy to try to help out. Dan Taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: If you plan to visit Texas soon, you should know these In response to John Collins' post on things you need to know before you visit Texas ... 1) If it can't be fried in bacon grease, it ain't worth cooking, let alone eating. 2) There is nothing sillier than a Northerner imitating a Texas accent, unless it is a Texan imitating a Boston accent. 3) Don't be worried that you don't understand anyone. They don't understand you either. 4) The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. 5) "Mom'n'em" is not one person. When someone asks, "How's your Mom'n'em?" They are referring to the whole family. 6) Be advised: The "He needed killin'" defense is valid here. 7) Shakespeare is a fishin' rod, not a writer. 8) Duct tape is not only part of every survival kit, it is the whole kit. 9) Rasslin' is not fake. Don't dare whisper otherwise unless you want a kindhearted Texan to fix your busted head with duct tape. 10) Don't be surprised if an obituary mentions that the deceased requested to be buried in his four-wheel drive truck because, "It ain't never been in a hole it couldn't get out of." 11) "Ya'll come back now, ya here," is a temporary statement. We love Yankees to visit, but damn Yankees are those who decide to stay. About the heat -- Ya'll discover that in July, it takes only 2 fingers to drive your car . . . Ya'll learn that a seat belt makes a pretty good branding iron . . . Ya'll notice the best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance . . . It's noon in July, kids are on summer vacation, and not one person is moving on the streets . . . And finally for you Shane -- in reponse to a comment you made last week A couple of Texans got off a plane in Sydney. The one who had been there before was briefing the other one on what to expect: They're OK, these Aussies, but you'll find they take themselves a bit too seriously sometimes, so you'll have to humor them. For instance, if they say that Australia is bigger than Texas, you just make out you believe 'em! Ed -- Damn Yankee Mansfield, TX Hi Ed, ROTFL ;-> As an ex Sydney cab driver - I can fully attest to the validity of your last remark. But boy do they get annoyed when you prove how small Texas really is ;-> Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Manitowoc Models Rod Millard inquired about the models of Les Wilkins being on display at the Wisconsin Maritime Museum. Rod: I will check on the models when I am in Manitowoc for the 24th annual Model Show and Contest on August 5 & 6 at the Museum and report back then. I urge any ship modelers to try to attend this great show if only to see the models on display as the quality of the models is usually quite exceptional. There is a modeler's symposium on Sat afternoon and it will include a talk by Richard Young and a tour of his model workshop. The modelers attending the contest get together Sat evening for a great dinner and get to spend time talking models and modeling. Sunday there is an informal roundtable group discussion on various aspects of modeling where you are encouraged to bring your work in progress to ask the advice of the other modelers on problems you might have encountered, etc. All in all a very good time and a great opportunity to see some great models as well as a great maritime museum. This year marks the contest's new sponsorship by Ships In Scale Magazine who are also sponsoring the trophy for Best of Show. Publisher Clay Feldman will be attending the event. Contact Sarah Waters, Curator at maritime@lakefield.com for further information. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL NRG member -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: Re: WW1 photos & IJN Sub query >> When I was a teenager or perhaps younger, I saw a documentary on a Japanese sub that sank. I believe it sunk after someone forgot to close a torpedo tube during a crash dive to get away from US planes. The documentary said something about it being a larger sub, it also mentioned the retrieval of the sailors for burial in Japan (probably in the 70s or early 80s). This was quite a while ago and I was young so my information may be distorted. Does anyone recall the program and/or what sub that might be? << John, When I was scuba diving at Truk a few years ago we went searching for a IJN sub in that area that was supposed to have sunk for the reason you state. The dive boat captain didn't find it but I'm sure it's there. It may be the one you are referring to. In the 1980's I understand Japan gathered up all the bones they could find, 3000 or so individuals, from about 60 sunken Japanese warships and transports at Truk and incinerated them in a ceremonial fire. You may be able to get details of this sub from one the web sites that specializes in Japanese warships. There were still a few bones to be found on the wrecks. It's an awesome sight to see a big, modern-looking ship sitting on the sea bottom, with its stern blown off. There are many similar sights at Truk. It's a national park now to keep looters away. Norm Samish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Lump518176@aol.com Subject: Movie "They Were Expendable" The old John Wayne movie "They Were Expendable" is not very historically accurate! First off, the movie used 80 foot Elcos, while in reality, Squadron 3 P.I. 1941, used 77 foot Elcos (PTs 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, and 41). These boats were a completely different design than the more familiar 80 foot Elcos. Secondly, the movie grossly exaggerated any (if any) combat successes that the famous Squadron 3 might have had. They fought a largely ineffective delaying action in the P.I. until all boats were lost, due to mechanical breakdown, grounding, enemy action, etc..The only "success" was the evacuation of Gen. Mac.......although some would hardly call this a victory! History or Hollywood? Hollywood all the way, but still entertaining! Jerry Phillips -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Glencoe USS Oregon Photos I promised a number of people some photographs of the construction sequence for the modification of Glencoe's USS Oregon superstructure. This is the modification which begins with cutting away a false deck and the installation of the correct deck on a lower level. I have a series of pictures which document the critical steps in the process: 1) scribing the area to be cut away, 2) the rough cut, 3) filing to shape, 4) building new berthing area bulkheads, 5) building the new deck and 6) adding some new structures under the center line bridge. The pictures lead up to the point where the build becomes fun again. Lengthening the funnels, installing the boat racks and weapons, and applying the PE has been done since the pictures were taken. It should be noted that this is not the most accurate build in the world . . . just the way I decided to do it.. Anyone interested in this struggle can write me off line and I'll send out the package. The zipped file contains 17 jpeg pictures and is about 640k in size. Would also like to take this opportunity to thank the people who provided support with both e-mail and technical articles. Regards, RhinoBones -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Alberto Rada" Subject: Fletcher in 1/192 scale Thank you every one for helping me on this one, I am running to my friend's for the kit p.d. did you notice Bob Steinbrunn's phrase: "Yes, I'm somewhat familiar with this kit" After 4 1/2 years work, a first price at the Mariners Museum and partially rebuilding it after the accident, you certainly can say that p.p.d. With great ENVY I wish the best of luck to all those going to Texas and that you bring all the prizes SALUDOS Alberto Rada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Ives100@aol.com Subject: Re: 1:700 submarines >> Could someone tell me if the 1/700 double DML modern submarine kits are the same as the Testors releases? Also, is the DML Russian Destroyer Sovremenny kit the same as the Skywave kit? If these are not the same kits, then how are they different? << Yes they are identical from the same molds. These kits are not real accurate; for example, Los Angeles class submarines do NOT have the vertical end plates on their stern planes. The Typhoon does NOT have a large central "beaver tail" dive plane. and it goes on and on......... Tom Dougherty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: IPMS Conv >> I will have most all of my other products at this convention, and will be carrying MB Products as well. Snyder and Short, The Paint Guys, will also have a representative present. Corsair Armada will be next to my tables. JAG Collective will also be in the same group of tables. << Beginning to sound like I should stay home and just send my money :-) >> You are missing out on a lot of really interesting stuff, if you miss this show. Sorry, I will not be in Roman attire. << Aw Gee, I thought that you were gonna come dresses as the Pirelli Tire boy :-) Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: d gregory Subject: Re: PT Boat Battles Norm, Check out these books: "At Close Quarters" By Robert Bulkely and "Mosquito Fleet" by Bern Keating. PTs torpedoed ships from German Destroyers in the Med (2 sunk June 1944) to the Solomons and Philippines. Their torpedoes were pretty bad early in the war but they had many successes when all was said and done. I have some great coastal forces links on my website, including some on PTs. Check out: http//:homepage.altavista.com/ptdockyard Dave Gregory The P.T. Dockyard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: St Paul What Is the time frame that the model is supposed to depict, and is it just the radars that you need data on or all types of antennas. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Hms Curacoa Somebody mentioned a little while ago that the cruiser had a disruptive camouflage pattern at the time of her sinking. I would be interested in seeing this, if possible. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: Fletcher Destroyer from Bluejacket The master hull blank of this thing was made from maple, I know because I had to make the damm thing. Maple is one of the hardest woods to shape; took ages! As an aside, I used a set of official sheer, lines and body plans as the references, so that the finished product is reasonably accurate. I was not in any way responsible for any other part of the kit. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: pugs99@att.net Subject: HMS Royal Sovereign 1/500 by Plastyk Hi all, I just received the above kit after ordering the Revell Germany Royal Sovereign. Ian Wilkins review on this site said that the Revell Germany kit, ex-Frog, was more accurate for the Revenge as it didn't include the tripod legs for the foremast. This kit DOES include the tripod legs and appears to be accurate as far as the superstructure of the Royal Sovereign!! Is this a different kit?? Is it a reworked version of the ex-Frog kit? maybe even a copy? It has "Made In Poland" stickers on it. Any info would be helpful. It appears to be an older mold, but overall matches the description Ian gives, except for what is noted above. It appears to have been reworked to make it more accurate for the Royal Sovereign. Happy Modeling! John Impenna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: Frank Allen Subject: HMS Hood Models- Thanks to Jon Iverson I just wanted to thank Jon Iverson for the photos of his excellent Italeri and Airfix HMS Hood models. We shall try to get them posted on the Hood web site shortly (I have a trip coming up and should get them on the site shortly thereafter). Frank Allen Battle Cruiser Hood -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: Frank Allen Subject: HMS Hood Model Inputs- Bandai 1/200 scale kit Hello All, Have any of you seen or built the 1/2000 scale Bandai kit of HMS Hood? If so, could you contact me/the Battle Cruiser Hood web site? Thanks Frank Allen Battle Cruiser Hood (http://hmshood.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: "nickbalmer" Subject: PT Torpedo Attacks Hello, I recently have been reading Dog Boats at War by Leonard Reynolds, published in 1998 by Sutton. Whilst this book is mainly about British Fairmile D Boats, mentions a number of operations in the Mediterranean where the British flotillas operated together with Higgins and Elcho PT boats, in which PT boats fired on enemy vessels. Page 124, 15th PT Squadron boats operating on 19th December 1943 near Bastia fired torpedoes unsuccessfully off Cap Corse at Destroyers. 23/24 January 1944 PT217 fired at F Lighters near Capraia Island. Other similar operations are recorded. It seems that two reasons existed for the PT boats torpedo attacks failing. 1 Small targets. Most targets were very shallow draft, and often built of wood, by the time PT boats arrived in the war zone. Torpedoes had been designed to attack larger steel vessels. 2 Shallow Depths. Until after April 1944 when new fuses came in, most torpedoes both American and British were very inaccurate in shallow waters, being adversely affected by the waves when running near the surface. For some reason British torpedoes were slightly better. However the PT boats had radar unlike the D Boats at this time. This enabled some very effective attacks to be made by using a single US manned PT boat to spot enemy convoys against the coastlines and islands, and to vector in the D Boats for torpedo and gun attacks. The Brits scourged Radar sets in exchange for some British boats. 657 was the first Fairmile so fitted. In August 1944 the British boats started to get a new Mark 4 torpedo which would sink F lighters and other swallow draft ships. Did the PT boats have the same problem in the Pacific? Regards Nick Balmer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Colin Ritchie Subject: HMS Jersey, modern Hello all, >> Does anyone know of models of either 20th century HMS Jersey? The second is/was P295, an Island class patrol vessel. << I sure do know a bit about the second Jersey, I watched her being launched! The whole of the "Island" Class of patrol vessels were build here in Aberdeen in the 70's, being some of the last ships built by the John Lewis yard. Overall they resemble a large North Sea trawlers, with a single 40mm gun forward. They were designed as patrol vessels for the then booming North Sea Oil industry, and in particular the production platforms being installed in the late 70's. One critic of the class suggested that with a top speed of 14knots the only thing it was capable of overtaking was a fixed production platform! Their other main role being as a fishery protection vessel, unfortunately most non UK trawlers are faster..... For details , you might try the rather excellent Aberdeen Maritime museum , yup it does have a web site, and no I don't know the URL, (Sorry, but since its a mile down the road its easier to visit) . Colin Ritchie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMMLcon Infomation & posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Marc Flake Subject: IPMS-Dallas SMML "Reception" Okay SMMLies here's the scoop: Frankly, I just don't think it would be feasible to haul 30 people off to a restaurant for lunch or dinner. We could, however, have a sort of a "reception" during the convention. Ed Grune tells me that IPMS won't be using all its rooms all the time, giving us the opportunity to use one that is vacant. Two times are available -- Friday morning before 11 a.m. and Saturday afternoon between 3 and 5 p.m. We will have two rooms to choose from Friday morning and could get the hotel to set one of them up with coffee, juices and pastries. On Saturday afternoon, only one room will be available -- the one next to the hotel bar. Ed tells me that people can purchase drinks in the bar and take them into the "reception" next door. The Friday morning "reception" would cost a little more to have the hotel deliver the coffee, juices and pastries. I would cover the cost and those attending could reimburse me when they arrive. Also, those who can begin drinking once the sun rises above the yardarm can visit the hotel bar and bring drinks into the "reception" room. In either case SMMLies will be able to mingle and talk to each other, putting faces and voices to names we have read on our computers. So, let's vote Friday Morning? Saturday Afternoon? If either is okay, say so -- you can vote twice. We'll go with the day on which the most SMMLies can meet. Marc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Keith Butterley Subject: Warship Polish Books Update Hi group, My supplier has revamped his catalogue and added some new titles (hooray) but on the other hand he also revamped his prices - upwards (boo hiss!) The following is the new list of Profile Morskie books that ARE available lus a few new titles from a couple of different publishers. Profile Morskie USS California - $21Cdn/$14US Karlsruhe - $15Cdn/$10US HMS Belfast - $21Cdn/$14US Fuso - $15Cdn/$10US HMS Scylla - $21Cdn/$14US Tone - $21Cdn/$14US USS Indiannapolis - $21Cdn/$14US Maya - $16Cdn/$11US Tribal Class Destroyers - $21Cdn/$14US Zara - $21Cdn/$14US USS Alabama - $21Cdn/$14US Marseilaise & Georges Leguyes - $21Cdn/$14 HMS Abdiel, HMS Ariadne - $21Cdn/$14US Yubari - $21Cdn/$14US Tama - $21Cdn/$14US USS Porter - $21Cdn/$14US Yukikaze - $21Cdn/$14US HMS Royal Oak - $21Cdn/$14US Le Terrible - $21Cdn/$14US Wydawnictwo Militaria - Naval Royal Navy Part I - $21Cdn/$14US Kriegsmarine - $20Cdn/$13US Warships Of The World Warship Camouflage - US Navy 1941-45 Part I - $24Cdn/$16US From "Svea" to "Drottning Victoria" - $13Cdn/$9US Iowa Part II - $24Cdn/$16US German Destroyers - Narvik Class - $24Cdn/$16US Shipping price for one of the above books $3Cdn/$3US Regards Keith Butterley http://www3.telus.net/warshipbooks/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Model Ship Journal-Subscriptions Just a quick note about the rapidly diminishing Issue Zero edition of Model Ship Journal. When you subscribe, I will immediately send you your first copy in the mail. This is expensive as we are set up to bulk mail the magazines and can only hold the line until the end of the month. We can be reasonably confident in assuring that anyone subscribing will get a copy of the premier issue IF they place subscription orders before 31 July. After that date all subscriptions will begin with Volume 1, Number 1 mailing in mid-September. After 31 July, any Issue Zeros left in inventory will be sold at their full single issue cover price of $9.95 until they are gone. No reprints will be made and I have erased the disks to assure their collectability. The subscription cost is $30.00 per year in the United States and $45.00 outside the U.S. (surface post paid). If you wish to order with airmail delivery outside U.S., that adds $25.00 to the annual subscription cost and we accept MasterCard, Visa and checks for orders. If you want to see a copy of Model Ship Journal, stop by Classic Warships' table at the IPMS Nationals in Dallas (July 19-22). Model Ship Journal will definitely carry on from the benchmark set by Issue Zero and we are very gratified with the great response received from ship modelers around the world. Victor Baca MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume