Subject: SMML VOL 974 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:32:19 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Hood 2: Re: A message from Commander Series Models, Inc 3: Re: US Auxiliaries 4: Re: GBU 28(?) and 16"barrels 5: Re: HMS Campbeltown 6: Campbeltown References 7: Re: US Auxilires 8: Re: Service Thread 9: Looking for a book 10: Re: Service Tread and my what i am building 11: Re: Konig decals 12: Re: INS Mysore (Eyesore) 13: Re: Service Thread 14: Service thread 15: Re: US Auxiliaries- help! 16: Re: HMS Campbeltown 17: Re: Veterans 18: Re: Vets 19: Re: US Auxiliaries 20: Re: Streched Spru & B-17 Vets 21: Vet Thread 22: ADM. HIPPER camo 23: Re: Vet thread 24: HMS Campbeltown 25: Auxiliaries help 26: Re: US Auxiliaries/INS MYSORE 27: Australian FFG deck colour? 28: War Machine WW1 naval 29: Joan Of Arc helicopter carrier 30: INS Mysore 31: Vet Thread 32: USCG ATF Tugs 33: WW1 ships 34: Humour & the American 35: Re: Ships Plaque 36: Halifax -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Web site update 2: On the slipway site 3: Re: Konig, etc 4: Looking For A Few Good Women (modelers) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Hood Hi Jan-Erik Degaussing cable generates a weak magnetic field and thus neutralizes the ships own magnetic field. This protects a ship against magnetic mines. With ships that didn't carry a cable they had to be periodically degaussed. The position of the cable is the same as that for the Tamiya Hood and good references are the Anatomy of the Ship on the Hood by John Roberts and the Monografie Morskie on the Hood. Both will contain all the plans you need. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Bruce Burden Subject: Re: A message from Commander Series Models, Inc >> We are pleased to announce that we will be represented by TWO dealers at this years Nationals. Village Hobbies and Victory Models will showcase our Products. << George Lewis, the owner of Village Hobby, lives in Austin, TX. His shop is well worth a visit if any of you are visiting Austin. It has a fairly comprehensive collection of ship models. I am sure George will have a representative selection of ship models at his table at the Nats as well. Hot? 100+ isn't hot. It is, ummm, balmy. Yeah, balmy! You should be here in August... Of course, this gives you guys the opportunity to understand why shade is more important than distance to the enterance... Bruce -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: ECammeron@aol.com Subject: Re: US Auxiliaries Fulton is a Submarine Tender, not a Seaplane Tender. There is/was a C3 Seaplane Tender from Naval Works and WSW. Neither had seaplanes. Loose Cannon is advertising a set of PBM Mariners that would go fine with either C3 Seaplane Tender. Eugene -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Robert Mosher" Subject: Re: GBU 28(?) and 16"barrels The gun tubes used during the war with Iraq were as I recall (sources packed up) actually 8" and may have even been just the old Army 8" though I can't be 100 percent certain. Regarding the former facilities for manufacturing 16" gun tubes it is my recollection after a "work-related' inquiry that these are all gone, long since wound up and eliminated. The capability would have to be rebuilt almost from scratch. Robert M -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: ALROSS2@aol.com Subject: Re: HMS Campbeltown >> I have picked up a Revell HMS Campbeltown and I need references on the what the RN called the Town class. << IMHO, the best reference for the 50 TOWNs is Arnold Hague's The Towns, originally published in softcover in 1988 by the World Ship Society, 28 Natland Road, Kendal, LA9 7LT, England. IIRC, the Naval Insititute Press published it in the 1990s. Each ship has a least one photo; lot of detail available. Al Ross -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Campbeltown References You mean other than Al Ross' ANATOMY OF THE SHIP: THE DESTROYER CAMPBELTOWN? Originally published by Conway in the UK at ,18. By the way, wouldn't that kit be a reboxing of the Revell AARON WARD? Ken Goldman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "lcp9" Subject: Re: US Auxilires Hi Yohan, In order to make your choice even harder,please note: The Fulton is a submarine tender (AS), and I've made a more accurate hull for the DIXIE AD's. So there are now 3 separate tender kits available from Loose Cannon- USS Vulcan ; Fulton ;& Dixie. Also don't forget the T-2 Oiler, it can be built as either USS Cowanesque or Cassatot. And no, I haven't the faintest idea how to pronounce either name! Come see them at the NATS in Dallas! Best Regards David Angelo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Subject: Re: Service Thread Well, I'm not a Vet, sorry to say (eyes were not up to snuff). But, both through our modelling together and wargaming and historical trips (ACW), my son, Josh, was appointed to Annapolis and graduated as a new Ensign last year (Class of '99). My only chagrin is that he chose Flight over Surface - he is in Pensacola in Flight Training now for RWO. Sure wish he had taken surface - think of the Tiger Cruises and pictures. Kevin Wenker -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Bob and Teresa" Subject: Looking for a book Can fellow SMMLies help me out? I'm looking for a copy of Concord Pubs. "Wasp & Tarawa Class". I've bugged the on-line Hobby shops, book dealers, looked on Ebay,and no luck except bad.This thing must have been printed on pure "unobtainium". TIA for any help. KLorton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "JOHN CURRIE" Subject: Re: Service Tread and my what i am building I am a Chief Petty Officer(Missile)(Old Gunner)in the Royal Navy. I joined up on Tuesday the 20th May 1975 it was a sunny day. I am due to retire Sept 01(not by choice)but i cannot complain, i got 4 more years out of them on top of my 22. I also would not change a thing in my career in the NAVY. My last 14 years has all been sea time, serving on the YORK, Gloucester(GULF WAR and Adriatic), Southampton(Adriatic) and i am currently on the Exeter, i had a six month spell with the United Nations serving in Cambodia. I am currently building Rodney and Nelson as in may 42 and the entire KGV Class in different periods. JOHN "ATTENTION ON THE UPPERDECK FACE AFT AND SALUTE COLOURS" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Konig decals >> i have an early mark of this kit...no decals or Battle flags...there any out there for this period? << You're in luck. For a limited time Iron Shipwright is giving away decals for those models! If you're going to the Nats in Dallas, they promise to have some there (limited quantities I'm sure) for free as well. Classic Warships is also having a decal sheet printed up for the models as well. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: INS Mysore (Eyesore) Can you imagine the terrible razzing the crew must go through who served on that ship? It must be one tough ship having that name. Now you know why Colin Powel got to be a general. With a first name like that, he had to be the toughest guy in the outfit. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Bill Rowe Subject: Re: Service Thread USN Viet Nam aboard USS Union (AKA-106). Amphibous landing Da Nang 3/65, and administrative two subsequent landings. I was never ashore and never shot at. We got some feel for how the Navy changes when things get more serious. Life Member UNM NROTC Alumini Associations, Member USNI, and Docent NASM. Bill Rowe -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: PERATHJEN@aol.com Subject: Service thread Since, at 74, I am likely the oldest SMMLie around, I will give you a short history. I was a plank owner on USS LSM 228, which hit the beaches from Guadalcanal to Okinawa, where she was the first ship on the beach. There were over 500 LSMs built, including the LSMRs, and our national association has restored LSM 45 in Freedom Park, Omaha, Nebraska. There are over 3000 active members, but we are going fast, so if you want any info on LSMs you better act fast! Paul Rathjen, Beaverton, Oregon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: US Auxiliaries- help! Fernando, I have seen the Corsair Armada 1/700 USS Vestal, a repair ship that was tied up along side the USS Arizona during the attack upon Pearl Harbor, and as usual, Corsair Armada has produced another masterpiece. You would not regret this purchase! They are available thru Pacific Front Hobbies. Steve Wiper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: HMS Campbeltown Andy asked - >> I have picked up a Revell HMS Campbeltown and I need references on the what the RN called the Town class. Those fifty destroyers handed over from the US to Britain in 1940. What I need are drawings and/or pictures of them fitted out for their anti-sub role. Showing weapon arrangements etc. I do realise this varied considerably almost from ship to ship as did many other details. Anything would be appreciated. << Probably the best general book on this class would be Al Ross's "The Anatomy of the Ship: The Destroyer CAMPBELTOWN" (Naval Inst Press 1990). Another good one is "The Towns" by Arnold Hague (World Ship Society 1988). Both out of print, I believe, but try one of the many Internet book locators. Two others which are more related to the political ramifications of the transfer and less technically-oriented are "Destroyers for Great Britain" and "Hard Bargain" (?). John Alden's "Flush Decks and Four Pipes" remains the definitive work on the overall history of the four stackers. I just got the CAMPBELTOWN kit (1/350) done by Tom's Modelworks and it is extremely nice. Warship Profile #5 is another good reference for this specific ship. Hague's book has a photo of what is believed to the very last four stacker, HMS LEAMINGTON, which was temporarily saved from the scrap heap in late 1951 to serve as a prop in the movie "The Gift Horse" (AKA "Glory at Sea"), a rather mediocre film starring Trevor Howard, which was based in part on the Saint Nazaire raid. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: Lisa and Bill Wiseman Subject: Re: Veterans US Navy Enlisted in 1981 Boot Camp NTC/RTC San Diego Airman Apprentice School NTC San Diego USS Ranger CVN-61 1981-1983 NAS Miramar CA 1983-1984 Cross Rated to Hospital Corpsman 1984 Hospital Corps School Great Lakes IL '84 NAVHOSP GLAKES '84-'86 USS Suribachi AE-2186 Hotel Company 2/4 USMC Okinawa/Guam 87 USS Miller FFG 1092 88 NMCNCR Bethesda MD88-90 4th FSSG 90-91 NWS Yorktown VA 91 Fox Company 2/25 USMC Operation Desert Shield/Storm Out Nov 7 1994 Active member Navy League, Marine Corps Association, USNI, American Association of Navy Hospital Corpsman, National Association of Medics and Corpsmen. Currently: Senior Firefighter / Arson Investigator, Newburgh Fire Dept. NY Semper FI Bill "Doc" Wiseman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: Re: Vets Little late on this, but why not... US Navy 1988-94, USS Barney DDG 6 and USS Normandy CG-60. Gulf War and Yugoslavia. Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: jbklb Subject: Re: US Auxiliaries Yohan, Don't forget the SkyWave/PitRoad 1/700th auxiliaries. They are as follows: #W-43 USS Bootes (AK-99, a Liberty Ship) #W-44 USS Sabik (AK-121, a Liberty Ship) These ships are virtually the same vessel. They are typical SkyWave/PitRoad quality -- namely the best! Shake the box and they pretty much make themselves. Could add some aftermarket railings, but not much else! Price should be in the $25.00 range -- so you could get both of these for the same price as the resin kits. These should be available from Pacific Front Hobbies and other online hobby shops. Good hunting...Loren Pike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: RhinoBones@aol.com Subject: Re: Streched Spru & B-17 Vets Stretched spru . . . sounds like something I did . . . I've seen a number of articles stating that stretched spru was used for rigging but I still wonder why someone would take the time to stretch spru when so may other options are available. Would like to hear from anyone who can give me some details on the techniques of stretching spru and even more importantly, any advantages stretched spru has over thread, fishing line and the like. As a side note - As a kid I would set a piece of plastic spru on fire. As it burned it emitted a cloud of black sooty smoke. As I recall the soot would stick to everything . . . made for wonderful "weathering" and detailing of burning air planes, vehicles and ships!! Of course there were always people who didn't understand why it was necessary to burn a piece of plastic in the bedroom (mother comes to mind), but it certainly made for good theater. Regards, RhinoBones Also - Cheers to the veterans and a special cheer to the WW II vets. I owe my being to a man who was a waist gunner from the 301st Bomb Group flying B-17s out of North Africa. 50 missions over Italy, Sicily and off the coast of Tunis, 300 hours in the air (bombed Palermo, Castelvetrano, Naples, Pantelleria (several times) Foggia, Pisa, et al). To this day he claims that he did nothing special . . . maybe someday I'll build a dusty, desert ridden B-17 to commemorate his exploits. Cheers to all the fellow veterans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Cypryan Klish" Subject: Vet Thread USN '71-'77, ET1 (Reactor Operator) Plank owner, USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, CVN69 Instructor, NPTU West Milton USS Puget Sound AD-38 Near claim to very minor notoriety: began the initial criticality on Ike's #2 reactor, only to be relieved (to my great disappointment) prior to criticality being achieved. PreComUnit duty at Newport News Shipyard was an outstanding experience. Kip -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: Lump518176@aol.com Subject: ADM. HIPPER camo I have the book "Anstriche Und Tarnanstriche Der Deutschen Kreigsmarine" (a book detailing German Navy camo.) and it has both complete port/starboard photos of HIPPER in her pattern. The orginal pattern was designed in Nov. 1940 to resemble HMS REVENGE, to cause confusion to HMS ships. This pattern was altered in the spring of 1942. This particular book has good photos of both patterns. Jerry Phillips -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: Vet thread I was in the U. S. Navy from May 1970 to May 1974. After boot camp and Damage Control school, I became a plank owner on the USS Manley, DD-940, when she was re-commissioned after her Fram II ASW conversion. After being on the Manley for about a year and a half, I was transferred to the USS Sierra, AD-18. Talk about two different navys! I should have stayed with the tin cans! I was an E-5 when I got out. I was fortunate never to see combat, but getting caught between two hurricanes, and sailing through one of them in a destroyer off Cape Hatteras, the graveyard of the Atlantic, was scary enough. We got caught sideways by one of the waves, and rolled to within 1/2 of a degree of our capsize point. This little tidbit of info was supplied to us the next day by the Damage Control Officer who was watching the roll clinometer in DC central during the storm. We did get shot at once. During our shakedown cruise on the Manley, a green navigational officer got us a little bit too close to shore near Dam Neck, Va., home of the US Navy gunnery school. Five inch shells straddling the ship ain't no fun! Other than the hurricane, we had a very tense two day period when we "warned" a Russian Trawler away from the US coast. Shortly after turning the trawler out to sea, we made contact with a Russian submarine. All in all, this wasn't too bad, but that was the night that the ship's movie was "The Bedford Incident". I don't think anybody that watched the movie slept well that night. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: "Roger/Sharon Torgeson" Subject: HMS Campbeltown Andy, Try and find a copy of "Destroyers for Great Britain" by Arnold Hague. It should have every thing you need, ship histories, pennant list, photographs of all fifty, alterations for British service, successful attacks, and escort forces organization and much more. My copy was published by the Naval Institute Press in 1990. The ISBN number is 0-87021-782-8. It appears that the book was printed and bound in Great Britain by Bath Press. I may know of a new copy for sale but it would be next Saturday July 22, before I cam check if it's still available. Let me know if your interested. Roger Torgeson, Charter member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club, August 1964, USS Constellation (CVA-64) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "hugh1lottie2" Subject: Auxiliaries help You wont find any aircraft on the Fulton as it was a sub tender but never the less a very good buy. There is at least $10 worth of brass in the kit plus the decals. One of the best looking auxiliaries I've seen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: "John Snyder" Subject: Re: US Auxiliaries/INS MYSORE US Auxiliaries: don't forget the latest from Corsair Armada: USS VESTAL. INS MYSORE: S&S will shortly have samples of modern Indian Navy paint on hand for the modern navies paint chips set. John Snyder Snyder & Short Enterprises The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27) From: "Tony Mollica" Subject: Australian FFG deck colour? Hi, I'm building a 1/700 Australian HMAS Adelaide FFG. I plan to use Humbrol paints on it. In a previous issue of SMML, a formula was given to mix the hull and superstructure colour, which I intend to use. However, I am not certain of the match for the deck colour. Could anyone help with a match to Humbrol colours please ? Thanks Tony Mollica Hi Tony, You need the series on RAN FFGs put out in the APMA magazine. This series by Lindsay Charman is bloody excellant. It also includes an RAN paint chip which forms the basis for the formaula given in past SMMLs. Check out the APMA site at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm Regards, Shane APMA VP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28) From: "john mcmanis" Subject: War Machine WW1 naval Does any one have the War Machine Encyclopedia (Orbis and/or octopus publishing) issues covering WW1 naval ships that they would like to sell, or does any one know where I might pick them up? John McManis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29) From: CBNJBB62@aol.com Subject: Joan Of Arc helicopter carrier Hi Guys I'm building the Heller Joan of Arc helicopter carrier. Does any one know what colors I should use to paint the model in. One hobby shop has humbrol paints but the numbers used doesn't match the paint on the shelf's plus the photos I took of the real ship in 1993. Any help would be appreciated. Craig Bennett -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30) From: Mark McKellar Subject: INS Mysore I also photographed this ship - very sleek looking. but If you're looking for a paint chip my guess is you'll be out of luck. The crew is very vigiliant and I suspect they'd object to someone chipping the paint of their ship. I toured the ship last week and found them to be very focused on security (they searched my back pack to the point of opening my binoculars case). Maybe I just looked very dangerous..... Mark Who hauled 3 kids all over Boston for the Tall Ships last week......ARRRGGGGHHH! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31) From: Schiefet@cs.com Subject: Vet Thread I am a member of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club, class of '68. Served aboard the: USS Hugh Purvis (DD-709) 68-69 ("six guns, no waiting") USS Garcia (DE-1040) 69-71 USS Holder (DD-819) 1974 Also served in a variety of units in the reserves, and was piped over the side from the USS Constitution in 1994. I miss the work, the people and the uniform, but not the Chicken Stuff. Building ship models as a kid, I knew a fair amount of the terminology, ship classes and histories when I joined up. Steve Singlar ETCS USNR-ret. Pelham, NH PS. Looking forward to Steve Wiper's latest editions. I showed some of his previous books to the folks aboard the Salem. They are very excited about have the Salem book available in the ship's store. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32) From: "Bill & Kaja Michaels" Subject: USCG ATF Tugs Looking for info about USCG model kits? Check out my USCG subject kit list at: http://www.tiac.net/users/billkaja/kitlist.htm I'm always looking for feedback, additions, etc. Bill P.S.: I'm a vet too -- USCG Academy grad, sea duty aboard the Bark Eagle, and cutters Reliance and Harriet Lane. USCG Academy '8 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33) From: Lorna Subject: WW1 ships Hi guys, This may be old news to some of you but NKR is having a two for one deal on the ICM 1/350 Koenig and Grosser Kurfurst.... $110 AUD for the two.... http://www.nkrmodels.com.au and to think I was only there looking for the Roden Fokkers ;-) Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34) Subject: Ship magazines From: "Michael Dunn" Victor, >> It is true that various ship model publications have published ship plans, BUT they are generally re-drawn plans, sometimes missing critical views. These, of course, can be obtained in full by writing the publisher who will then supply the complete set for a price. << Well, personally I would not call John Lambert's plans "redrawn" or "missing critical views". Indeed, his plans are some of the best I have seen. And the majority of the others supplied by British magazines are of a high quality, regardless of whether they are free with the magazine or purchased from the magazine as a result of reading a build article on the relevant model. Indeed, one of the ones I recently for free is of a fishing vessel - this large double-sided A1 sheet has the starboard profile, top view, gantry detail and equipment locations on one side, with the other being wheelhouse building as well as the fore/aft, top/bottom and side GA plans. And this is not a one-off, but is typical of the scale plans. Nothing more is required, and nothing more is therefore sold. >> I bought some of these, only to find they were semi-scale drawings. They were often re-drawn to give fuller lines for "operating models" which is totally unnecessary and harks back to the days when R/C models were thought to need extra interior room for heavy equipment and to give a scale-like operation in the water. << And what is wrong with semi-scale? This is most often the easiest way for a modeller to create a ship he wants, and that is not available in ANY other form. It gives you a speedy way to get the hull ready for the superstructure and for detailing. And don't forget - a complex underhull is NEVER seen when sailing; ditto with complex detailing. So while this kind of model does give a more stable base for r/c, it is NOT the only reason for doing in; and it rarely is in these days of miniature r/c circuitry. >> In these modern times we now know that this is also an unnecessary butchering of the original naval architect's lines. I strongly believe "semi-scale" plans have no place in scale ship modeling. If you are going to build a ship model, it should be an accurate representation using accurate research material. It takes just as long to build something that's not a true representation to the prototype as it does to construct a true-to-scale model. If the modeler needs to make a ship replica that, for whatever reason, doesn't require a highly detailed presentation, it's better to include less fine detail to complete the model rather than going the semi-scale route. That way, you still have an acurate model and you may add fuller detail whenever the circumstances or mood dictates. << How dare you say that semi-scale have no place!!! Are you telling me that you have NEVER EVER built semi-scale? For many, this is the ideal stepping-stone from plastic models to large r/c - it is the ideal marriage of ease of building and the production of a working model to be proud of. Instead of decrying this, you (of all people) should be ENCOURAGING this style -as it will BRING people into this aspect of the hobby, and thus enlarge your magazine's circulation! WHY should you research to the last rivet in a ship? For crying out loud - at 10 foot from the shore NO-ONE is going to know if you have detailed the hatches, etc! And as to being as quick to build a super-detailed model - get real. A semi-scale can be built up within a week - do THAT with a scale one that you have to research first! And adding further detail to semi-scale is also an option - this is not the exclusive domain of scale modellers! >> I don't mean to belittle anyone's choice of reading material, but it is time we re-define the presentation of periodical ship's plans and view them with an eye to preserving historical naval architecture. The magazine Mr. Wiper wrote about includes copies of official general arrrangement ship's plans including the hull lines, all reproduced to a common ship modeler's scale. There is no doubt about their authenticity and it is now possible to build a scale model directly from the periodical's pages. In addition, there is in-depth prototype ship photography included, often keyed to the printed plan. The U.S. is not only "catching up," we are setting a new standard. << No, you are NOT "setting a new standard", you are merely the last magazine to offer such items. And I'm afraid that you ARE belittling other magazines, ones that have been around a lot longer that yours has even been thought about. These magazines DO encourage naval preservation, from publicising preserved ships through to producing walk-abouts for modellers to use as a basis for detailing, etc., as well as making it possible to build straight from the magazine. And are we to take from your comments above that your magazine is the ONLY one who can produce accurate GAs? Or put them into common scales? I'm sorry; you are just the latest publisher to continually press his "big idea" on all who will listen. I for one am more impressed with the UK magazines than what I have heard (and seen) about yours. I would take you far more seriously if you shot your mouth off much less, and made what you had to say worth listening to. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35) From: Lawman555@aol.com Subject: Re: Ships Plaque Hi Guys; I am not sure that I have spelled it right. I was looking for information regarding a plaque that was present on Naval Ships. In particular I was interested in finding a photo of or a copy of the plaque that accompanied the WWII and WWI submarine chasers. I would also need info as to where the plaque was mounted. I realize that to reduce this to a 1/72nd scale for my model would result in a loss of clarity, etc. but I am willing to try. I also understood that there was a pendant that each ship had. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time Jim Myers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36) From: "Michael Dunn" Subject: Humour & the American Steve Wiper scribbled :- >> Still, it's nice to see the US finally catching up with this hobby ;-) << >> Mike, you need a lesson in diplomacy. << Steve, you need a lesson in humour. Do you not see the smiley? It looks like ";-)", and can be located at the end of the line you quote. The happy smiley is to indicate that, regardless of how the sentence actually reads, it is meant as a joke, or at least humourously. It is a sad fact that a lot of Americans seem to have a poor to non-existant sense of humour(bar slapstick), and are unable to laugh at themselves. >> What I meant was that plans are covered, as in reviewed. I have seen the free plans provided in some of the British publications, and as you stated they were free. << Then you should be more careful of what it is you are writing. This item of yours could very easily be mis-interpreted by list members. Free does not necessarily mean bad, or poor; with these plans, it often means good. >> Next time you wish to be so blunt, e-mail me directly. << I was not blunt; I was correcting a public statement made by yourself. If you don't like this - tough. We are not yet in such a state that dissent is to be stamped on at every opportunity, which is what you are doing. If I think something is wrong, or bad, or not worth it, I will always say so. I was correcting a post I thought misleading, and here you are going off the deep end. You should consider your own advice...... Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Halifax We had a fabulous time touring beautiful Nova Scotia last week, especially the lovely and historic city of Halifax. Simply too much to see and do in the space of a week. The obvious highlight for a ship modeler is "The Last Corvette". It was wonderful to walk SACKVILLE's decks and explore the impeccably restored interior spaces. She looked ready to get underway at any time. The interpretation centre has a nice 15-minute video about the restoration of the ship, and the gift shop is simply incredible. Another must-see is the Maritime Command Museum in the Admiralty House. Apparently few tourists know about it since it's a bit off the beaten track, but Ian MacCorquodale got us there. It has an exceptional series of exhibits on the RCN and another excellent gift shop. I needed an extra piece of luggage for all the souvenirs I bought! Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mike Subject: Web site update Hi all, Just a quick note to let you know that the Archives are up-to-date again, up to & including this issue, and are indexed too. Don't forget, we are always on the look-out for new items and areas for the site, so don't sit on your ideas & pictures, but mail 'em in to Shane or myself. Until next time, Mike SMML Webmaster -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "foeth" Subject: On the slipway site Our silly and meaningless site is up, with pictures of our 1:350 semiscratchbuild Hood. Note the interesting conning tower and the flaglockers, one of the items actually finished! home.wish.net/~vandijk The idea is that we will add articles explaining (with pictures) how the various techniques work and what tools to use and how... Have a look! Evert-Jan Foeth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: Konig, etc Bill, Classic Warships will have a set of decals for all WWI Imperial German Naval vessels and German merchant vessels of the same period. The set will contain any and all Naval jacks, ensigns and rank flags for all different sizes of ships and boats. The set will also contain all the signal flags for that period. Last, but not least, the set contains the TWO different sized aircraft identification circles. Late in WWI the German light cruisers used these on the deck, both fore and aft. All the capital ships carried the larger circles on the fore and aft turret roofs. It is a large set. Price 1/350-$6.00 1/700-$3.50 They will be available thru Pacific Front Hobbies in August. Thanks, Steve www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Victor M. Baca" Subject: Looking For A Few Good Women (modelers) Cynthia Arnett, Model Ship Journal's business affairs manager, has been going through our subscriber's database and has come up with names of a few female ship modelers. She has begun research on an article featuring the work of these builders for an upcoming issue of Model Ship Journal. Upon seeing the award winning work of a fine northwest female ship modeler, Cynthia was motivated to join the hobby. The thing that struck her about the model was that it was a finely wrought replica of a U.S. Coast Guard cutter with no indication that it was made by any particular gender. Just a highly detailed ship model anyone would be justly proud of. If we missed you in our recent contacts and you'd like to be included in the article, please contact Cynthia at her e-mail address: cindymarie@dog.com (she says the e-mail name is not indicative of her appearance...just her love for chihuahuas). Cynthia's article will be run as a profile piece on each woman and show photos of each modeler's work. BTW, Cindy and her niece are building a USCG 44' MLB as a team effort--a first for each. Hopefully, an article about fine scale ship modelers, who happen to be feminine, will interest others in taking up the hobby. Victor Baca MODEL SHIP JOURNAL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for having SMML at your home, why not stop by our home at: http://www.smml.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume