Subject: SMML VOL 1035 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:56:01 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Caroline and John's engagement 2: Re: NNT Models website 3: Re: Refueling In The Middle East 4: Re: BWN survey 5: Re: Enterprise model 6: Re: Paasche Airbrush 7: The Loss of the Prince of Wales and the Repulse 8: HMS Foley & HMCS Snowberry 9: Arizona Model and PR 10: Re: removing old styrene glue 11: Re: Refueling In The Middle East 12: Re: German Secret Weapons 13: Re: HMS Foley 14: Italeri KMS Lutzow 15: Re: Floating Drydock 16: USS Cole Salvage 17: Midget Subs in 1/72nd 18: Re: sauce 19: Graf Zeppelin Air Wing 20: Re: removing old styrene glue 21: Re: Freezer 22: Re: Raise the Hunley on History Channel 23: Re: Refueling in the Middle East 24: 2 books on modern ships 25: WWII Amphibious Vehicles 26: Re: HMS Foley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Kit for sale 2: WR Press Notice 3: Classic Warships Books 4: Model Ship Journal 5: Cruise Ship Oriana -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Alan Roots alanroots@aroots.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Caroline and John's engagement Congratulations and best wishes to you both on your engagement, heres to a long and happy life together. :-) Yes folks the announcement is buried in the text at: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/news.htm#SCALEMODEL read it carefully. very crafty Caroline but some of us do read your news pages ya know. Oh by the way John during one of your previous visits an Enigma machine went missing from Bletchley Park Museum......as you appear to collect bits and pieces from time to time you .......er .....wouldn't happen......to......er..... know......where......no of course not silly question. :-) Now lets see 800+ (Try 1200+ :-) Shane) wedding invitations boy it's going to cost a bomb. Bless you regards Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Fernando, Yohan" Subject: Re: NNT Models website >> Thanks everyone for the information about NNT models. Have gone to their website. Does anyone else have trouble getting on to the English version of the site? << I don't think the English part of the site is up yet, but it doesn't matter much. You can easily navigate the ship section of their catalog as long as you know 1 word of German- 'schiffe' means 'ship'. Expand the 'schiffe' folder in the little navigation tree on the left pane and from there on it is pretty straight forward (as long as you are only interested in ships...) Also, luckily German and English are very similar languages, so even seeing a ship labelled as a 'kreuzer' is enough info to make it out to be a cruiser, etc. Yohan Fernando -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: Re: Refueling In The Middle East Robert J. Bartolacci wrote: >> Perhaps Andrew or someone in the group can respond to this... In 1978 when I was on the U.S.S. Julius A. Furer Mid-East/Persian Gulf cruise, we refueled at Jiddah, Abu Dhabi, Djibouti, Bahrein, but were NEVER allowed near Yemen... But what no one has mentioned in any discussion regarding U.S. Navy underway refueling, we also refueled from a British Navy auxiliary, the H.M.S. Cherryleaf. It was a different style of underway refueling, with them towing a hose and us pulling it on board to the forward refueling station, but it worked just fine. Perhaps we need to renew a few commitments to help take advantage of our allies support? Is this no longer done? << Hi Bob, Yes, the USN still does underway refueling, including using our allies in an AOR (Area of Operation). The refueling station in Yemen was opened about a year ago to handle battle groups operating without an oiler. 5th Fleet logistics keeps replenishment ships in the Arabian Gulf, but I don't think that they transit to the Arabian Sea very often, so ships pull into Yemen to refuel on thier way from the Red Sea into the Arabian Gulf. The ships pull in for 4-5 hours for fuel and are immediately underway again. Hope this answers your questions. Matthew Prager CPO, USN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: BWN survey I caught the survey this morning while on the site. Mike is still in the process of building the site so things have been changing often. The survey is new. I put my vote in for a 1/350 Oriskany or Bon Home Richard (my apologies if I spelled that wrong). I am not related in any way to Mike or MB either, but I hope he makes a million dollars at MB and introduces lots of new kits. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Re: Enterprise model >> Rusty, WHICH Enterprise kit?! There are two listed in the what's new section on the same day! << The model I was referring to was built by Warren Jones. Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ Order online with Visa & Master card (US only) "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: David_L._Miller@ccmail.wiu.edu Subject: Re: Paasche Airbrush I have the VL and like it alot. You might want to consider using CO2 instead of an air compressor. The initial set-up (regulator and tank deposit) is no more costly than a cheap compressor. (One can also use N2). The advantage of CO2, for me, is it is dry and you do not need moisture traps, and it is very quiet, so I can airbrush in the late evening when the family is asleep. You can also get your tank deposit back. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Norman C. Samish" Subject: The Loss of the Prince of Wales and the Repulse A used copy of "Battleship: The Loss of the Prince of Wales and the Repulse" by Martin Middlebrook and Patrick Mahoney is available from http://www.amazon.com/ for $24. I asked them to find it months ago, and to my surprise they finally found it! However, I no longer need it, so it's available. Norm Samish -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: HMS Foley & HMCS Snowberry HMS FOLEY There were actually two HMS Foley's during WW2, both DE Captains Class Frigates. The first was laid down for the RN at Mare Island on 30.4.1942 but retained by the USN as Wileman. the second was laid down at Boston Navy Yard and transferred on lend-lease on 19.5.1943, being returned in August 1945. Pennant number was K474, exDE270. She sank U538 on 21.11.1943, northeast of the Azores. These vessels did not have a badge/crest allocated to them. HMCS SNOWBERRY Although I have not seen them myself, the general opinion seems to be that the Sirmar fittings are not of high quality. David J Parkins (http://www.djparkins.com) have just released a number of detail sets in their Great Little Ships series, the main one of which even includes new decks and costs £79.90. Other smaller sets cover armament etc. I have some of the smaller sets on order and await them with interest. Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Burl Burlingame / Pacific Monograph Subject: Arizona Model and PR BTW, as near as the USS Arizona Memorial folks can tell, Revell never forwarded any dough from the flyer in their kit. On the other hand, Tom Harrison offered the Memorial Association several of his 1/350 Arizona kits for free so they could raise funds with them, but as I recall, the memorial association never got its act together to do so. Burl Burlingame Pacific Monograph, 1124 Kahili Street, Kailua HI 96734 808-263-6087 buzz@aloha.net A historical interpretation company. Visit our web sites at http://www.PacificHistory.com/ and http://www.PacificHistory.net "He's supposed to be dead. This is vexing. I am terribly vexed." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Al Superczynski Subject: Re: removing old styrene glue Shane wrote: >> I've been told that putting a model in the freezer will make the old glue brittle & it'll come apart fairly easily. << This can work but you need to put the parts in a ziplock bag along with a few teaspoons of water. You can also try soaking the joints with mineral spirits, and if that doesn't do it apply some Testors *bottled* liquid cement - most other liquid cements act too quickly. HTH, Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Al Superczynski Subject: Re: Refueling In The Middle East Bob wrote: >> In 1978 when I was on the U.S.S. Julius A. Furer Mid-East/Persian Gulf cruise, we refueled at Jiddah, Abu Dhabi, Djibouti, Bahrein, but were NEVER allowed near Yemen... << Yeah, but back then they were considered as unstable bad guys. Hmmmm - maybe they still are...... Al http://www.up-link.net/~modeleral -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: Re: German Secret Weapons Try looking up "electo gravitics " or anti-gravity propulsion systems. It is said that the B2 employs such a system in addition to the conventional, action reaction thrust system. The former has been in development for several decades and is one reason why the cost of the B2 is so high. When a pure electro gravitic system is used you have to use a nuclear power plant in order to get the necessary electrical potential that will give the required field effect. The field can be moved around the vehicle as desired to give whatever movement is desired, or to just float. Speeds can be quite high, in the order of several thousand miles per hour and as gravity is not a problem, then the vehicle can make orbit in a minute or two. Being propelled by such a system, means that one does NOT need a lifting body nor any control surfaces. I am not certain of underwater speeds but I believe that up to 300 knots can be made without too much trouble. Try to talk to somebody about underwater unknows, if they will talk of course. There is available some official documentation on this, but you will have to search for it. As for ship propulsion, it really depends on wether the public would accept nuclear power plants being fitted to commercial vessels. If they find out what the Air force and the Navy has been doing,---------. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: HMS Foley Hi Guys Concerning the HMS Foley ,she is a Evarts class DE leased in 1943 built in Boston MA and scrapped in 1946. Orginially the USS Gillete DE-270.A good book called The Captain class Frigates inthe Second world war by Donald Collingwood ,Leo Cooper Ltd ISBN1-55750-195-5. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: "Chris Hughes" Subject: Italeri KMS Lutzow Can anyone suggest a source for some PE for the Italeri 1/720 Lutzow? I picked one up fairly cheap at Duxford on Sunday and I have a diorama in mind. I have access to an air photo of her moored on the Oder in May '45 as the Russians are advancing on Stettin. The huge pond in the bank alongside was caused by a Grand Slam or Tallboy dropped by the RAF. On one side of the ship, I'm thinking of displaying a 1/72 scale Lanc with such a weapon, on the other side, the PR Mosquito that took the photo... I'd also need some ground photography of Lutzow after the bombing, as the evidence of the air photos suggests some fairly heavy damage. If anyone's seen such images, please let me know. Regards, Chris PS: I'll be visiting the WEM stand on Saturday... Hi Chris, While you're visiting the WEM stand on the weekend (sob, sob - aw well maybe next year), after you say hello to the old fart, ask the lovely lady behind the counter for the GMM 1/700 WW2 German Navy set. This can be used on the Italeri Lutzow, as well as other German ships by Tamiya, etc. I have the set & can highly recommend it - I used parts of it for my Skywave 1/700 Z class DD a few years ago & it's very nice. Only hassle is that you'll need to buy extra railings, ladders, etc if you want to use it on more than one ship :-(, but that's only a very minor niggle. Shane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: Kdg345@aol.com Subject: Re: Floating Drydock I also had problems with Floating Dry Dock about 3 months ago. The charge card was charged, but didn't get the order for about another 6 weeks, then since it was a short order they credited me with $22 on the next order instead of a refund. Before that I got prompt attention on a set of plans that I loaned him and they were returned before I asked for them. Ken Groom -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: USS Cole Salvage James noted - >> Heard offhand that the ship is taking on water again, but they hope to sail her at least to a forward base (Bahrain? Diego Garcia?) under her own power and complete the preliminary repairs there. Where of we have assets in the area anymore capable of lifting a DDG? IIRC, we moved an AFD to Diego when Subic was closed. Anybody know for sure and can talk about it? << Both Bahrain and DG are a bit of a haul given the extent of underwater damage. I'd read a story last week that the BLUE MARLIN, a heavy-lift ship that was leased by the Navy to carry mine warfare ships to the Persian Gulf, may be able to carry a DDG as well. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Midget Subs in 1/72nd Bruce asked - >> I've also heard there will be a plastic kit coming from Japan on the 2 man midget sub in 1/72nd scale, has anyone seen this, impressions? << Kitlink.com carries a 1/72 Type A Japanese mini-sub as used at Pearl Harbor. A bit pricey for a simple plastic kit (about US$45), but very nicely done. Comes with a set of decals, too. The box and instructions do not give an English-language translation of the manufacturer's name, however. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Craig R Bennett Subject: Re: sauce Dear Mike Good joke, I guess I put the r at the end of the word saucer in my mind instead of typing it. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Peter K. H. Mispelkamp Subject: Graf Zeppelin Air Wing Progress Report: Anyone who wants to join in and be among the first to equip his his or her Revell 1/720 scale Graf Zeppelin with her intended air wing please contact me ASAP. We are only one bag of FI 167's short of meeting WEM's minimum order for 20 bags of Bf 109T's, Ju 87C's and Fi 167 torpedo bombers. For details please contact me off line, Happy modelling. Sincerely Peter K. H. Mispelkamp -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: Mike Settle Subject: Re: removing old styrene glue >> I've been told that putting a model in the freezer will make the old glue brittle & it'll come apart fairly easily. Can anyone confirm this, as I've yet to try it with my old kits yet?? << Shirley and Shane, I tried this technique on some old car models I had built in the late '60s. I tried straight freezing, and freezing in water. For me, the results were mixed, at best. I still ended up separating the parts with X-Acto knives and careful prying. Mike Settle I am not agent #1908 of the non-existent Lumber Cartel (tinlc)tm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Robert Fish" Subject: Re: Freezer Yeah! Shane You are right anytime you freeze something, it becomes brittle and chips, easy as well, so modelers take care in removing extra glue, easy does-it with "X~acto" blade #11, being very careful is key word,as one would be working with brass frets, and Just for the record anytime one buys and any Brass frets from Tomsmodelworks.com your in for a treat, Excellent,& detailed workmanship, money well spent. PS! I was not paid, to say this, nor do I have anything to gain. enjoy modeling. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Ken Goldman" Subject: Re: Raise the Hunley on History Channel For those of you who missed "Raise the Hunley" on The History Channel, you didn't miss anything. The show managed to make CSS Hunley and the search and raising boring. Anyone familiar with the vessel already knows far more than was presented. The only interesting point was Clive Cussler's theory, considering she was found out to sea of the wreck of USS Housatonic, that low on air and having to fight an ebbing tide, they popped the hatches to admit fresh air, drifted with the current, and possibly were swamped by a Union vessel hurrying to aid Housatonic. The show then blithely discounted that possibility, saying the hatches were secured from inside even though absolutely nothing was presented to back up that assertion. I grade the show a D-. Ken Goldman THE WALRUS AND THE CARPENTER unique wood sculpture and fine scale models www.walruscarpenter.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: Roland Mar Subject: Re: Refueling in the Middle East I may be wrong, but I have been given to understand that the COLE was en-route to join our fleet in the Persian Gulf and was making a port/fuel call at Yemen. This was intended to be a kind of an inaugural event, as we have been trying to gain influence in the country. Our eventual goal down the line was to be use of the Socotra (sp?) Islands there as an NSA listening post. The visit was cleared with Yemeni authorities several weeks ago, therefore was probably known to those who attacked the ship shortly thereafter. According to either ABC or NBC news (was switching back and forth tonight and cannot remember which) about 3 weeks ago we received a tape from Osama Bin Laden threatening our forces in several Middle East locations including Yemen. COLE comprised 100% of the US forces in Yemen. If anyone has other/better information, please feel free to add to or correct me. Roland Mar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: Nathan Pettigrew Subject: 2 books on modern ships Hello all, I don't know if these have been mentioned here in the past, but I just ran across two books with some very good pictures on modern ships at the library last weekend. Armament and Technology Series by Lema Publications (they appear to be Spanish) The back cover notes that they are distributed in the US by Seven Hills Book Distributors. Camil Busquets is the name on the cover, but I've had mixed results finding the books by that name. Destroyers, Frigates and Corvettes, ISBN: 8495323133 Aircraft Carriers, Submarines and Cruisers, ISBN: 8495323125 Both have lots of good color pictures of US and foreign ships. I don't know if there are others in the series, but if modern ships are your thing, these are worth a look. Thanks, Nathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25) From: "Matthew Prager" Subject: WWII Amphibious Vehicles Does anyone know if there are 1/700 or 1/350 scale WWII amphibious vehicles available? In particular, I'm looking for DUKWs, LVTs, etc. Matt Prager -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26) From: Friedrich Kappes Subject: Re: HMS Foley DE 270 Gilette in RN service: K 474 Foley builder: Navy Yard Boston Evart-class diesel engined Lend-Lease frigate 3 x 3 in/50 US HA 9-15 x 2,0 Oerlikons Hedgehog, 160 DC 7. April 43 on keel 19.May 43 launched 8.9.43 commissioned back to USN 22. August 45 1190-1209 ts standart 1416-1438 ts maximum 88,22x10,72x3,07 m 2-shaft GM-diesels 6000 ehp = 19,5 kts 6000 nm/12 kts completement 200 From Whitley´s Destroyer book and Conway 22-46 Friedrich The FriedrichFiles -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mark Vaughan-Jackson Subject: Kit for sale Not sure if anyone is interested but I have the old Linberg Blue Devil Destroyer for sale. Kit is brand new (as far as it can be) opened but all parts still sealed in plastic. Will ship anywhere. Contact me offlist at mailto:mvj@thetelegram.com and make me an offer. MVJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: WRPRESSINC@aol.com Subject: WR Press Notice W R PRESS will be closed for business from October 17th to october 28th. Any orders placed during this period will be processed upon return. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Classic Warships Books I am about one month away from publishing Warship Pictorial #'s 9 & 10. WP#9 - Yorktown Class Carriers. This book will cover all three ships of this class in a photo album, in 64 pages, containing 119 photos, some rare ones too! The price will be $11.95. WP#10 - Indianapolis & Portland. This book will cover the two ships in a photo album, 64 pages containing over 100 photos, some never printed before. The price will be $11.95. Next up: WP#11 - Lexington Class Carriers. WP#12 - Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers. Thanks, Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Bob Evans Subject: Model Ship Journal To my fellow SMML'ies, I talked to Victor Baca of Photomarine Archives today and want to announce that http://www.franciscanhobbies.com will be carrying Model Ship Journal in the next few days. Victor was nice enough to send a sample of Volume #1 … excellent job … almost reminds me of the late Model Ship Builder. Volume #1 had two sets of plans … three ship (Photo) walk-a-rounds and several nice photos of great models. All in all, a very nice publication! Well done Victor! Bob Evans Franciscan Hobbies 1920-A Ocean Ave. SF, CA 94127 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Shaya Novak" Subject: Cruise Ship Oriana In stock on sale at Naval Base Hobbies. $25.95 Shaya Novak Naval Base Hobbies The Store for The Model Ship Builder www.modelshipbuilding.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume