Subject: SMML VOL 1086 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:17:07 +1100 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: that xacto knife!! 2: U Boat Anti Fouling 3: Re: Still among friends, and helos on Big J 4: Re: Nichimo 1/200th Japanese I-Boat 5: Re: SS United States 6: Preserving Cerberus - please give your support 7: Re: Trivia 8: Re: Neptun 1:1250s 9: More on ICM Hood (Keep those e-mails coming!) 10: Re: Odd / old kits 11: Re: Trivia 12: New book from Evergreen 13: The rejection of Duff info! 14: Re: Trivia 15: Re: Trivia 16: Re: SINKEX URL 17: Re: ICM HMS HOOD 18: Re: Holt 19: Re: Sinkex URL 20: Re: SS United States 21: Printing errors, Cabot 22: Adrian Caruana's History of English Sea Ordnance 1485 - 1875 23: Review: HP Models 1/700 HMS Laforey (1942) 24: Gold Ship Dmitri Donskoi found -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: IPMS/USS Hornet meetings 2: Small Warships SIG 3: Ship model writer needed 4: Washington DC area SMMLcon 2000 (with revised travel directions!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Edward F Grune" Subject: that xacto knife!! Dan wrote ... >> ... Now where did I leave that x-acto knife.... << Check with Rusty. It might have rolled off the table and landed in his foot! (an inside joke among long-time SMMLies) Ed Mansfield, TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: GrafSpee34@aol.com Subject: U Boat Anti Fouling Tom Dougherty writes concerning U-Boat colors: >> Subject of a huge debate & research project in the SubCommittee...there is no evidence that a red antifoul was used below the waterline << Oh yes there is. Check out the color photos on pages 157 and 158 of "Die Deustschen U-Boote und Ihre Werften" Volume 1 by Eberhard Roessler. It shows a type VII at the Flender Werke in Luebeck, spring 1942. The hull is painted with standard KM reddish brown antifouling paint. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Poutre, Joseph A" Subject: Re: Still among friends, and helos on Big J From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com >> Hey, it IS Navy anyway. I build naval aircraft all the time. They go well with my ship collection. Navy aircraft are as different from Air Force birds as night and day because of their requirement to land on AC carriers. So don't be embarrassed because you build naval A/C. You're still among friends here. << I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE! I, I have to confess. I've build models other than ships... I'm so sorry, I couldn't help it. I just... Oh God, please forgive this unworthy one. Just a couple, really. I mean, can it hurt if I just build, you know, a bit of armor here, a plane or a helo there? WHY, WHY WAS I SO WEAK? Ahhhh... I feel better now, to have that off my chest. I hope you all don't think less of me now. I felt so dirty, the shame of it all. For my penance I shall obtain a Lindberg and correct it. (If you need a :-), you don't know me very well.) Seriously, though, I'm trying to find _any_ photos of _any_ helicopters assigned to USS New Jersey in the 1980s. None of the photos I have show a helos on the flight deck, oddly enough, even though she was supposed to carry several of either SH-2Fs or SH-60s, depending on which references one checks. Manaically yours, Joe Poutre Co-webmaster, BBNJ Historical Museum Society http://www.bb62museum.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Ray Mehlberger" Subject: Re: Nichimo 1/200th Japanese I-Boat I understand that somehow my question about the Nichimo I-boat had " U-boat" mistakenly in the title of the message. I appologize for that. I want the I-boat info. Also, thanks to all that gave me some imput so far...on both the Nichimo U-Boats and the I-Boat. Regards, Ray Mehlberger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Robert J. Bartolacci" Subject: Re: SS United States Hi Thanks to all for the update on the story of the S.S. United States. Seems as if we never manage to get our heads on straight regarding national historic treasures. Truly the S.S. United States should be preserved, but it is another example of the historical crimes that have taken place in the past, such as the scrapping of the U.S.S. Enterprise, CV-6, that represented such a great combat record to our country. She could have been preserved for what today is considered a trivial sum compared to what is being spent on other, less distinguished ships. The gentleman that was awarded the scrapping contract was aware of her historical value, and tried to save her - most of what we have left of the Big E today is due to his efforts to preserve history. The Cabot is now about to be lost to history, also because a relatively small sum could not be raised. And the U.S.S. Barry, DD-933, that has been preserved as a museum ship in Washington DC, is now in danger of being scrapped/sunk as a target because the Navy doesn't want to spend the money to drydock her and perform routine hull maintenance on her. She too has a combat record, a distinguished tour in Viet Nam, and was present at the Cuban Missile Crisis, Lebanon, Cyprus, 73 Mid East War, etc. Talk is of replacing her with the Oliver Hazard Perry, FFG-7. As to which one has more historical value.... Anyway, I hope we at some point can make the decisions to preserve these great historical treasures.. Thanks to all that responded Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "David Hathaway" Subject: Preserving Cerberus - please give your support Fellow SMML'ies, I posted a couple of weeks ago a pointer to the free card model of the Australian breastwork monitor HMVS Cerberus I have designed and made available. Technically unique and an important milestone in warship design, Cerberus is currently a rusting hulk in Port Phillip Bay, near Melbourne. Various attempts have been made to save her, none have got as far as saving the ship. Time is running out for her. A fellow ship enthusiast has just given me the email addresses for the Victorian State Premier Steve Bracks and the Governance Officer of Bayside City Council (in whose municipality Cerberus resides), who will pass on any emails to the Mayor: steve.bracks@parliament.vic.gov.au tcallant@bayside.vic.gov.au Please send them both an email encouraging them to save the ship, it won't take long and may help save a real ship from oblivion. David Hathaway David@papershipwright.freeserve.co.uk www.papershipwright.freeserve.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Trivia The name Garibaldi has been used in three navies. In the Italian as Giuseppe Garibaldi (at least three times, armored cruiser launched 1899, light cruiser 1936 and present aircraft carrier). Argentina had cruiser Garibaldi launched in 1895, and the Soviet Union renamed a destroyer, Leytenant Ilyin of 1914, Garibaldi which survived until the 1950's. Since Garibaldi was Italian I suppose the Italians had the rights to the name. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Michel Vermout" Subject: Re: Neptun 1:1250s Derek, As for the majority of the other modelmakers in this scale, there is no assembly required for the 1:1250 Neptun models; the only thing they lack is rigging and detailed painting - a real challenge in this scale! In fact, the only thing you have to do with these marvelous little gems is to open the box, to verify there is no problem with the incredible amount of molded details, to put it on the shelf or (better) in a diorama and to admire it... you lucky owner! Kind regards. Michel Vermout. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Frank Allen Subject: More on ICM Hood (Keep those e-mails coming!) Hello Everyone, Frank Allen of the HMS Hood Association's "Battle Cruiser Hood" website here once again. I want to thank everyone who as e-mailed me concerning the upcoming ICM 1/350 model of HMS Hood. For those that may not have seen the original post, here is the deal: Representatives of ICM have asked us to help determine the level of interest in this particular model kit. The data collected will be used to help ensure that ICM produces enough copies of the kit to meet the demand. Please understand that we will not be able to help you pre-order the kit, but your comments may help to ensure there is no shortage of kits. So, those who are interested, please contact me off-line at allenfw2@yahoo.com (no replies here in SMML please), and I will make sure your comments and queries get through/put you in direct contact with the right people. Frank http://hmshood.com http://HMSPrinceofWales.freeservers.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Michael Dunn" Subject: Re: Odd / old kits Don wrote: >> For sources of old kits I used to go to a place in Lavender Hill, South London called Comet Miniatures. The shop is purely Sci-Fi and Television stuff, but the cellar was a goldmine of old kits. I haven't been there for a while but it might be worth giving them a ring to see if they are still there. I wouldn't ask them if they had a specific kit as they didn't seem to know exactly what they had in the cellar. << Yup, TJ Models is the "real" name of this shop, but it's probably best known (especially in aviation circles) as The Dungeon. Wonderful place - I've picked up many a kit I thought I'd never get from them - just be prepared to pay their prices - while some stuff is a steal, most is a little more expensive, but for old OOP kits there isn't really much choice...... Picked up the Airfix Devonshire and Leander last time I was in, & they had a pile of "new" kits from Airfix as well - seems they were clearing out another part of their warehouse...... If anyone is in London & hasn't been - go there! The address is 44-48 Lavender Hill, Clapham, London, SW11 5RH - turn left out of Clapham Junction, & keep walking - you get there eventually! Mike PS - And the SF stuff is unbelievable...!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Pieter Cornelissen Subject: Re: Trivia I agree with Pirie Sublett on the 3 ships; Eugenio di Savoia (Italy), Prinz Eugen (Germany; Hipper class cruiser) and Prinz Eugen (Austria; Tegethoff class dreadnought). Marlborough (nice link with the other trivia through his far descendent!) and Ramillies, agree too. But as to which country had the right to claim the name (if such a right exists)... Eugen of Savoie was in the service of the Holy Roman Empire at the time. Both Austria and Germany claimed to be the heir to that empire. The Savoie dynasty ruled Italy until the 1940's, and Savoie is located in France and Italy. So very country had good reasons to claim the person. Pieter Cornelissen Delft, The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com Subject: New book from Evergreen Evergreen Scale Models is familiar to most US modelers as a supplier of styrene in sheets, angles, round tubing, quarter round, H-columns, I-beams, strips, half round, channels, square tubing, round Rod, rectangular tubing, clapboard siding, corrugated metal siding, square tile, sidewalk, V-grooved sheets, board and Batten, and, well, you get the general idea. This material comes packaged in clear poly bags which are conveniently hung on a display rack in many hobby shops and these styrene shapes are invaluable to the plastic or resin ship modeler. Evergreen has just released a new book, "Basic and Advanced Techniques for STYRENE MODELING - How to Build, Paint, and finish Realistic Styrene Models", and I think it's a worthwhile acquisition for warship modelers. The book is soft-cover, 8 1/2" x 11", 90 pages, 286 photos (over half of which are in color), was compiled by the former editor of FineScale Modeler magazine, Bob Hayden, and sells for $14.95 U.S.. Various chapters deal with tools, adhesives, scratchbuilding, kitbashing, conversions, detailing, airbrushing, decals, and weathering. While the subjects within range from model airplanes, armor, railroading, space, and architectural models, there are enough ship-related features to pique my interest: a "wooden" railroad car ferry in 1/64 scale, David Merriman's 1/177 fleet submarine RASHER, making torpedo bulges for a 1/700 carrier USS SARATOGA, upgrading a 1/192 wooden kit of a FLETCHER class destroyer with styrene details, scribing techniques on a SSBN 640 class missile submarine, and a superb 1/96 scale scratchbuilt TICONDEROGA class cruiser, USS COWPENS. Further information can be had directly from Evergreen at: Evergreen Scale Models 18620-F 141st Avenue N.E. Woodinville, WA, 98072 U.S.A. Bob Steinbrunn Minneapolis Member, Nautical Research Guild Louisiana Naval War Memorial - USS Kidd, DD 661 The Mariners' Museum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Subject: The rejection of Duff info! Hi fellow smellies and Victor. Thanks for the feed on my drawings. But my e-mail has changed over the last three weeks. I can now be found at lamkeel@ntlworld.com. or www.john-lambert-plans.com I have a number of new subjects 'ongoing'. (In no order of priority though). The Coastal Sloop HMS Kittiwake as built and mods for 1942. The 71ft 6 inch British Power Boat MTB. (at least four sheets). A sheet on R.N. requisitioned trawler types. (L/S/152). Ready use ammunition lockers for the Quad. 0.5" Mark III Mountings, as found aboard V & W class destroyers and those dreaded Flow......s. I now have a further 18 sheets converted to negatives. (11 ships). These to be allocated L/S numbers, borders and tarted up. These include HMS,s Wild Goose (Mad Duck), Harrier, Fly, Bridlington (M/S's), other Modified Black Swan class sloops and Tribal class destroyers. I have not yet started Christmas shopping etc. Oh for more hours in the day! Yours "Aye" John Lambert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: tom Subject: Re: Trivia Pirie writes: >> Eugene of Savoy? I can't think of the third ship: German, Italian,and (Austrian? must be if one country had a right to him). The rest is Marlborough and Ramillies. << That's good, also the WWII German cruiser later sailed under US colors before being nuked and scuttled. Could there be multiple answers? I was going to guess Andrea Doria with one US and several Spanish and Italian warships of that name... for the rest perhaps Don John and Santa Cruz? Tom K -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "J. London" Subject: Re: Trivia Further to my earlier answer to Chris Langtree's trivia question on ships named after a hero. A close collaborator of Garibaldi was Count Camillo Benso di Cavour remebered in an Italian battleship Conte di Cavour launched in 1911. Garibaldi's victory at Castelfidardo is remembered by a destroyer of that name launched in 1922. Michael London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "Glenn & Kelly Neklason" Subject: Re: SINKEX URL Tom, The ship you are referring to was the USS Oklahoma City (CG-5). She was a converted Cleveland class cruiser, the former flagship of the Seventh Fleet. She was sunk in the spring of '99. It was indeed a South Korean submarine that sank her, broke her back as a matter of fact. I was involved in a last ditch effort to save her. I was allowed aboard when she was being stripped down at Mare Island in Dec. '99. However, the old ship took everything that the multinational task force gave her and would not sink. It was only then that the South Koreans fired the torpedo. You might try looking at the web site (an impressive one at that) at: www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4648/ Regards, Glenn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: SteveWiper@aol.com Subject: Re: ICM HMS HOOD Frank, My first question would be: How many Konig/Großer Kerfurst did they produce?, and how many did they sell? As a manufacturer and publisher in the arena of ship modeling, I would venture to say that the Hood kit will out sell the German WWI BB's by a good amount. Two reasons. First reason is the Hood is a WWII subject. WWII subjects will almost always out sell all other era's. Second reason is the Hood itself. She was one of the most spectacular ships ever built, and her demise was just as so. The only thing that could possibly hurt the ICM Hood kit would be the price, and of course, bad mistakes in the kit. I will probable get two when it comes out. Steve Wiper www.classicwarships.simplenet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: Shane Weier Subject: Re: Holt Hi Craig >> My understanding of the Holt FF-1074 is she was named for a Australian Prime Minister. If they (USN) named a ship after them it made have been for political reasons but since it was done that is an honor to individuals they are named after. << Harold Holt committed Australia to support the USA in Vietnam, which is probably why he rates a mention. However, he's better known in Australia for the sudden ending of his Prime Ministership after a swim at Portsea and his suspected conversion into shark sh*t. In any event, he never came back out of the water. Shane (the elder) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: Dave Shirlaw Subject: Re: Sinkex URL The ships in question were the Collins Class sub sinking the frigate HMAS Torrens with a MK 48 MOD 4 torpedo. Standard fit for the Collins boats are MK 48 MOD 4 and SUB Harpoon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: SS United States As a few people have pointed out, much of the interior of the ship was stripped and sold to pay for various expenses incurred in trying to save it from the scrap heap. Some of these items can be seen at the Mariners Museum, Newport News, VA, and quite a bit now reside at the Windmill Point Restaurant in Nag's Head, on the Outer Banks of North Carolina. Dinnerware and other items are available for purchase, too. I can also report that the food is excellent, should anybody be down that way... Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: "Mike C" Subject: Printing errors, Cabot I got two color center spreads in my copy of Squadron's U.S. Aircraft Carrier book...should I complain? The Cabot is such a sad story. I've donated several hundred dollars during the years she was in Limbo with the hope she might be saved. I even have some certificates for deck space (I think those were from the Chicago group); I was buying up the LSO platform for a "Dick Tripp LSO's Memorial". Too bad time ran out for her. It was my understanding that one of the groups had managed to secure the endorsements of former presidents Ford and Bush, but little else. There are times I wish I could smack Bill Gates in the head to try to knock some regard for history into his geeky little noggin. Cabot would have been a great opportunity for him to repay some of the veterans who bombed Japan into the Stone Age, setting the stage for their industry to make his industry possible. He could have used the ship as a showcase for all his little inventions and made some tangible contribution to history as well. I have heard that he makes so much money that if he dropped a hundred dollar bill on the ground, the time it would take to pick it up would cost him more than the bill was worth. And didn't he spend something like $30 million to build his house/Empire Compound? Is that obscene or what? I think too many contributors subscribe to the idea that a boat (ship) is a hole in the water that you throw money into. They've probably never set foot on one, or even talked with someone who served in one. Sorry for the rant, but I had to get it off my chest. Mike Czibovic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "peter webster" Subject: Adrian Caruana's History of English Sea Ordnance 1485 - 1875 Just on the question of a Volume III of anything, has anyone heard whether the third volume of Adrian Caruana's History of English Sea Ordnance 1485 - 1875 will ever see the light of day?? the first two were published through Jean Boudriot Publications. Thanks Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23) From: maeisen@erols.com Subject: Review: HP Models 1/700 HMS Laforey (1942) Folks: There has been a lot of queries regarding the quality of HP Models. I just received the 1/700 HP Models HMS Laforey kit from NNT by mail. She is a WWII era Royal Navy (British) destroyer of the L-M class. The model depicts her as in 1942 fit. The following is a brief review of the kit: Overall, I think its a decent kit -- not the top of the line by today's standards -- but quite good nonetheless, and a reasonable value for the money at 55 DM. But due to the delicacy of the casting, it's not for beginners. The hull is very cleanly cast, but VERY basic. It has razor sharp lines, is very symmetrical, with petite portholes, but almost no detail on the deck surfaces AT ALL. It measures out length and beamwise almost perfectly to scale, but the bow has a bit too much of a curve to it (making it look almost like a clipper bow) while the stern is slightly too oval in shape (as seen from above). Both problems are easily fixed though. The stern should be rounded off a bit, which will make the hull a tad short by maybe a few hundreds of an inch -- nothing to really worry about. The breakwater is too fine; should be heavier. Some details will need to be added, using WEM Pro parts (maybe new bollards, and reels and winches for the deck). The anchor chain and anchor are molded onto the hull and are very crude and should be replaced by PE (the kit does not include PE, but the WEM O class fret will be of great help here). Deckhouses and bridge are cast separately, and are magnificent, and feature sharp, crips edges, portholes, doors, and very fine, paper thin bulkheads. In shape, size, and proportion, they match up well with my references. The bridge is very nicely done, with very, very fine internal bulkheads. The main guns are gemlike, but misshapen. They are almost perfectly hexagonal in shape; in fact, they should be more elongated from front to rear (see the nice profile and plan views included with the kit). If you are not finicky, they are probably acceptable. I would replace the 20mm and 4" HA gun though; they are quite crude and I don't know how you remove these from the carrier film without damaging them (they are cast in relief!). Again, use the appropriate WEM parts. Many other small, fine parts will be hard to remove. The parts are cast onto a carrier film which sometimes gets a bit thicker toward the edges. Sanding the carrier film to a constant thickness before removing parts is probably advisable. This should not be too hard to accomplish though. Instructions are very basic but adequate. Overall, the kit features brilliant quality casting (like Samek), but the hull needs a little detailing, the main gun turrets are not exactly the right shape, and some of the smaller parts will probably be damaged if you try removing them from the carrier film. A good value for the money, but probably not for a beginner due to the delicate nature of many of the castings. Reference plans used include: the very nice plan and profile drawings of HMS Laforey included in the kit (source unknown), and as fitted plans for HMS Milne, in Edgar J. March, "British Destroyers: A History of Development, 1892-1953" (London: Seeley Service & Co. Ltd., 1966), plans 43A/B. Happy building! Yours truly, Michael Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24) From: john.baumann@talk21.com Subject: Gold Ship Dmitri Donskoi found UK Press (Daily Mail) today reports that the Russian Cruiser Dmitri Donskoi, sunk by the Japanese in 1905, has been discovered. For me, this is one of those interesting stories where the vessel was reputedly carrying a large and secret consignment of gold, in this case the Csar's private stash estimated at £80billion. Regards, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Ken Durling Subject: IPMS/USS Hornet meetings Hi Ned - I guess you didn't get my last e-mail, or they are not getting through. Let me know if you get this one, ok? HORNET meetings are the first Friday of the month, so it was last week. There is an IPMS meeting in Fremont this Friday. Let me know if you want details. Thanks Ken Durling IPMS/USS Hornet, Pres. RC9 PPSEL Just Plane Crazy http://home.earthlink.net/~kdurling -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Small Warships SIG The website of the Small warships SIG is now on line at www.brown.abelgratis.co.uk It appears to work fine in Internet Explorer but I understand there might be some problems using Netscape Navigator. I am no expert on these matters so if anyone can offer advice how to solve the problem, I would be very grateful. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: Ship model writer needed For those of you don't know, I have been writing the Ships and Tips column in the IPMS/USA Journal since 1996. Well, I've written my last Ships and Tips column. I need more time devote to Flagship, so I'll be hanging it up. What I am requesting is for someone (must be an IPMS/USA member) to take over doing a regular ship oriented column every issue (5 times a year, one issue is devoted to the nationals). How you want to do it, and what you wish to call it will be up to you. Just type it up (by the deadline) and send it David Von Almen at the Journal. It's not difficult to do, (believe me, if I can do it anyone can) but it does require a little time to put together. I really want someone to take over and represent us as ship modelers in the Journal. With all the A/C, armor and car stuff, we get forgotten sometimes. You certainly don't need any academic qualifications to do this (God knows I haven't any). This is also an excellent opportunity to advance and perfect your writing skills if you want get some articles published in FSM or other magazines. You can publish your own article, (such as I did this issue) or have other ship modelers help out. It's your call. If anyone is interested in taking over, I already have one issue at Von Almen's office, so you will have plenty of time to put everything together and make the next deadline. I'll also help out all I can if you need some pointers. Contact me off post if anyone is interested, and I'll put you in contact with David. Rusty White Flagship Models - Photo Etched Details for Warships http://www.okclive.com/flagship/ We now accept Visa & MasterCard world wide via Pay Pal "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: maeisen@erols.com Subject: Washington DC area SMMLcon 2000 (with revised travel directions!) Folks: The Washington DC area SMMLcon will be held on this Sunday, December 10, from 1-3 pm, at Nostalgic Plastic, a hobby shop in Silver Spring, Maryland. If at all possible, please bring a built-up ship model (or one that is under construction) and maybe some books or publications that you have found to be helpful or interesting, for "show and tell." If this is not possible, come anyhow! We'd like to meet you! Nostalgic Plastic is located at 2425 Linden Lane, Silver Spring, Maryland. It is about 5 minutes south of the DC beltway. To get there, take the DC Beltway (I-495) to Silver Spring, and exit at Georgia Avenue SOUTH. Merge onto Georgia Avenue, continue south for less than a minute, pass the stop light at Seminary Place, continue straigh another hundred feet or so, then turn right at the second light (i.e. the next light) onto Seminary Road (do not be confused by the sign for Columbia Blvd; the right turn at the second light is indeed Seminary Road). Go down Seminary Road a minute or so, and continue straight onto Linden Lane when Seminary Road veers off to the left at the elementary school. Continue down Linden Lane a minute or so more until you get to the strip mall on the right, and pull into the parking lot there. Nostalgic Plastic is located at 2425 Linden Lane, and Nostalgic Plastic Automotive, where we will be meeting, is located at 2417 Linden Lane. If you find yourself going over an overpass and at the Walter Reade Army Medical Clinic Annex, you've gone too far by a few hundred feet. If you get lost, you can call the store at (301) 565-0565, and they should be able to help you with directions. I look forward to seeing all you SMMLies this Sunday! Yours truly, Michael Eisenstadt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume