Subject: SMML VOL 1224 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:06:04 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: models and reading 2: Steve Lau & the 1/350 Fletcher 3: On the Workbench 4: Re: decisions 5: Want's on a work bench 6: Re: What's on the workbench/reading table 7: What's UNDER The Workbench 8: That's a load of money on the work bench!!! 9: Pavia 10: On the workbench... 11: Re: Get some Ace resin 12: HMCS Uganda 13: Re: What's on the workbench/reading table 14: What's on the work bench 15: Re: Whats on the work bench 16: What's building 17: What is on the workbench? 18: What's on the bench? 19: Re: Canberra Book 20: German WW2 destroyer paint scheme, November 1940? 21: On the bench 22: Health Warning/what's on the bench/What's in the closet???? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Re: SMMLCon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: WEM & 10cm turrets for Taiho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Stuart Robottom Subject: models and reading I much prefer these 'constructive' threads! (pardon the pun!). Apart from drying out the house after endless mm of rain in last few days I am attempting a conversion of 1:700 WW2 LST into a repair ship, using a fuzzy photo from Jane's as a reference. This will most likely never be completed. 1:700 USS Yorktown (CG-48) may follow to complement 1:700 CV-10. R/C is taking most of my time at the moment with my Hood requiring a refit after a long summer of use. In addition I obtained some plans of HMAS Kanimbla (ex USN) and will build a model of same. I also hope to finish a conversion of the Revell lightship into TS Lord Nelson, an SCC unit I was on in Norwich. Reading matter is Topmill Press RAN Destroyers, and RAN Cruisers. I hope to build an HMAS Sydney (or Australia or Royalist or...) in 1:144 scale and some pictures in these books are useful -- for $10.00 or less you can't go wrong. Also have Vic Cassell's book on RAN Destroyers, and will shortly get the Capital Ships companion. Prospective purchasers of the Destroyer book please note some captioning errors -- I've only flicked through at this stage and that's all I've noticed. Back to work -- the real world needs attention (and it pays the bills!). Regards, Stuart Robottom http://www.deakin.edu.au/~robottom/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: HAZEGRAYADM@aol.com Subject: Steve Lau & the 1/350 Fletcher The Tamiya Fletcher kit seems very well detailed, with a pretty good parts fit. If you saw Rusty White's FSM article on building with brass, that was an example of how good the model can finish. My only problem with it is the same as Tamiya's 1/700 scale version of the same ship: the turrets. While well detailed, the 1/350 turrets (And you get 6) are all the same & incorrect. All should have the barrel offset to the right with the turret a scale 6" wider to the left. Also, mounts 51 & 55 should be shaped like (If the Floating drydock has it correct) the Mark 30 mod. 18 which puts an extra bevel on the front of the turret top (Perhaps for blast or high seas protection). Mounts 52-54 have a reasonable profile, but still no offset of the barrel. Other than that, I'm going to build it (It's # 7 on my list). Bert McDowell -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Devin J. Poore" Subject: On the Workbench As someone else also said, my workbench was on the workbench lately. Tossed out the old rickety desk I'd been using and mounted a work surface and several storage shelves on wall tracks to make a nice little area to make resin dust in. Sometimes you have to get creative with the limited space in a NYC apartment. What's coming up to be built on this new workbench? I have the BWN USS Juneau that I've just finished washing down and taking the "parts of the kit" pictures of (I like to document these things). At the same time as the Juneau, I'll be attempting to cut down a resin full hulled ship WITHOUT using a band or table saw. I've thought about this a lot, and I think I might have a solution. I'll let everyone know the outcome, good or bad. And finally, I still have my Sci-Fi kit of the Planet Express, from the TV series Futurama; she's all assembled, just need some filler and then off to the paint booth. Devin -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Bob Pearson" Subject: Re: decisions Chris Preston says ... >> I have a Matchbox 1/72nd scale corvette buried away for the day when I can afford the DJ Parkins sets, but then, I'll have decide which ship to build! << Hey .. that the problem I have with my Revell Flower. .. it is almost built and I still haven't decided on which one it is to be. . .. I am just about ready to paint it, so I guess a decision is needed soon. Bob Pearson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "Art Herrick" Subject: Want's on a work bench Ken Goldmam >> Actually, this is one that just left the workbench. Yesterday, I finished Heller's mediocre 1:400 Type VII U-boat........in a Martini & Rossi vermouth bottle. It involved an interesting bit of engineering to pull off, but the longest stage in the construction process was draining the vermouth bottle - it takes one hell of a lot of martini's to use up one bottle of vermouth! << My dad always said ... " A bottle of Vermouth should last one a life time." Art Herrick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: Gmshoda@cs.com Subject: Re: What's on the workbench/reading table On the workbench, but with piles of dust on it is the skeletal hull of the Russian battleship Evstafey that I was scratch building. I was working from what looked like a simple drawings from V. M. Tomitch's Warships of the Imperial Russian Navy, but then I realized that interpretation of the drawing left me uncertain about the ship's actual appearance. There certainly are not a lot of photographs of the class available. I wonder if anyone can help me here. I am compulsive type that must finish what I start before going on to something else. So this is a big roadblock. It doesn't help that I started on the Richelieu and had to stop for similar reasons some time back and that skeletal hull is also lying unfinished. On my reading table I have Warbirds of the Sea by Walter Musciano. I have been poring over every paragraph of this amazing book. It gives the full history of aircraft carriers and the airplanes used on them. It describes many of the obscure aircraft designed for use on aircraft carriers by all of the different navies. It also describes the battles that the carriers were engaged in. Gshoda -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: Ned Barnett Subject: What's UNDER The Workbench I liked that idea for a thread a lot, so here goes: 1. The Nazi carrier "Graf Zeppelin" - have some PE, waiting on WEM's aircraft (I've ordered enough for about 3 carriers ) ... the kit is almost Lindberg-like in it's lack of quality, but I've been lusting after this ship for years and years ... 2. USS Olympia - I was waiting (impatiently, Keith knows) for the NIP book - only to find out, $31 later, that it had no pictures. Double-damn, it's a book of words ... so I'm digging for sources (and wishing I could find a Gato in the same scale). 3. USS Oregon - I got the PE, got the articles, love the ship (but I'm a bit daunted by all the stuff out there saying the kit is way-wrong in some important deck-related particulars). 4. Queen Mary in war paint - still collecting the references; I found some on the Net but couldn't print them (dunno why) ... got the PE, and have been to see the Grand Old Lady several times ... 5. The big Revell USS Arizona - in time for the anniversary, I hope. Got the book, the PE - just need the time. I'm currently building the small Revell Arizona to check on problems and get a feel for it. 6. A D-Day beachfront diorama ... that French 1/72 LCVP was a MAJOR disappointment that put this on the backburner (I've got a busted Buffalo ready to drop into the scene ...) 7. One of several two- or three-masted sailing ships (in plastic) as a memorial ... I'm waiting on a sharply-focused block of time before I tackle this one (for purely personal reasons) 8. A Jim Shirley Arsenal Ship as the DD-21 Zumwalt (actually, I'll be building the fictional class leader, DD-79 Cunningham, from a great Clancy-like series beginning with "Choosers of the Slain ..." That's enough to get the thread started, I hope. Also, I picked up a Grumman DUCK (the old Ringo release of the older ITC kit) at IPMS/Hornet last weekend; it's a float plane, so it ought to count for something, right? Ned -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: SHIPMDLR@aol.com Subject: That's a load of money on the work bench!!! >> 1/350 Iron Shipwright 110' USN Subchaser 1942 1/350 Iron Shipwright WW2 USN Patrol Craft 1943 1/350 Tamiya USS O'Bannon (from Fletcher Class kit) 1942 1/350 Gulfstream USS Ward & Japanese Midget Submarine 1941 1/350 Blue Water Navy Gato Class Fleet Submarine 1944 1/350 Blue Water Navy German U-Boat 1916 1/192 Lone Star Models USS Winslow 1898 In the pipeline: 1/350 Classic Warships USS O'Brien (Sims Class) 1942 1/350 Iron Shipwright Landing Craft Infantry 1944 1/350 Iron Shipwright USS Maine 1898 1/350 White Ensign HMS Mary Rose 1916 1/350 Iron Shipwright Flower Class Corvette 1941 1/192 Iron Shipwright USS Panay 1936 That's just the tip of the iceberg! << Keeeeerrraaaaaaap! That's a load of money on the ol' work bench!!! Rusty White Flagship Models Inc. You can now pay using your Visa / MasterCard http://okclive.com/flagship/ "Yeah I want Cheesy Poofs!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "chenyangzhang" Subject: Pavia Hi Nat A and J Pavia have ceased business. Their collection went to Wright and Logan which has also folded. Their collection is with the Portsmouth Navy Museum at the moment. Chris Langtree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "VanBuren, Peter M" Subject: On the workbench... On the workbench... I just finished Iron Shipwright's 1/700 Edmund Fitzgerald. Though the ship made an appearance in resin no doubt because of the famous Gordon Lightfoot song, I grew up on the Great Lakes watching the huge ore carriers and so built it more from an emotional attachment than anything else. The kit went together pretty well and makes an interesting addition, in rust red and ivory, with some yellow trim, to a mostly gray collection of warships. So as not to stray too far from gray, I am currently working on a 1/700 Invincible, the ex-Dragon kit sold in a Revell Germany box, with the WEM brass set and WEM Harriers and helos. The kit is quite neat, you get a full Skywave "NATO" detail parts sprue for spares and the WEM PE is well done and integrates well into the kit. The Harriers that come with the kit are... OK but the helos just suck. I wouldn't want to build it without the upgraded helos. QUESTION: Someone may have answered this earlier, but I'd appreciate any help. I'm not lucky enough to have a "workbench", just some space on the table. I do my spray painting and a lot of my airbrushing outside by decree. Can anyone give me some ideas on how to minimize the problems outside, particularly the question of temperatures. How cold is too cold to spray paint? In moderate temperatures (say, light jacket-to-shirt sleeve weather), is it better to let the model adjust to the outside temperature and then paint, or rush it out of a warmer house, paint and then back inside? Thanks to all, Peter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Minadmiral@aol.com Subject: Re: Get some Ace resin >> As long as they are for your own personal use, it is legal! << Ah-Steve? Got your nomex underwear handy?? Chuck Duggie WoodenWalls Listmeister http://www.egroups.com/group/WoodenWalls Naval wargamer, amateur naval historian, and ship modeler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Lars Scharff" Subject: HMCS Uganda Hi Keith >> A promise to myself to do a mix and match with the Airfix Belfast and Tiger kits and turn it in to HMCS Uganda. One day << I want to convert the Matchbox Tiger to Cruiser of the Colony-Class too. Were you got your informations, plans, photos? Regards Lars Scharff -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "Peter Samolinski" Subject: Re: What's on the workbench/reading table Great idea for a thread! I have been working on ICM's "Koenig" with GMM's p/e set seemingly forever! My fault, not ICM's...I guess if I want more "time" I'll have to write the judge. Just started reading Winton's "Death of the Scharnhorst", when the copy of Koop & Schmolke's "Heavy Cruisers of the Admiral Hipper Class" that I had ordered arrived, so I have an "upstairs book" going as well as a "downstairs book" - and both naval, that's a first! And belated greetings on ANZAC Day - my mail server was down [again] earlier this week. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Jeff & Laura Herne Subject: What's on the work bench 1. 1/700 Skywave Arleigh Burke - about 85% completed. 2. 1/350 ISW HMS Sheffield - 75% 3. 1/350 Tom's USS Essex - 85% 4. 1/350 Tamiya Bismarck - 45% 5. 1/350 Tamiya Fletcher FRAM 1 - 95% 6. 1/192 Scratchbuilt DKM Konigsberg - 60% 7. 1/250 Doyusha Shinano - 50% 8. Do books count? USN Camo, 300+ pages - 65% 9. Museum Restoration - 1930 racing yacht 10. Private Restoration - 4' long 1950 model of the Flying Cloud Time?? What's that... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "lcp9" Subject: Re: Whats on the work bench I have had a similar experience to Mike Bartel, since I started Loose Cannon, building models has been rare; and working for the US Navy hasn't helped matters either. I think the last model I finished was an EASTWIND (unpainted) that I did as a table display for IPMS Dallas. I'm currently (occasionally) working on an ICM Grosser Kurfurst. Now that is a nice Model!! Looking over my work bench,there is a set of ADMIRABLE PCE masters mounted & waiting the RTV, a Tacoma Class Frigate master in need of minor repair; a DIXIE parts matchplate waiting to be mounted and molded: 2 mold flasks under repair, a stack of back orders thick enough to choke a horse, and last but not least a warning order from Uncle Sam telling me there is a 6 month deployment with my name on it under consideration. Happy Modeling!! David -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "O'Connor" Subject: What's building Shane, Thanks for inspiring this thread- a much needed infusion of positiveness on the list. I mentioned a few days ago here that I have a few things going- true, but all too slowly, due to work schedules of 60-70 hrs/week, currently. Leaves little time to play with plastic, resin, kids or my wife of twenty years this week. However, I am inspired by the projects mentioned by the legions of modelers here- the descriptions make me want to build all the more. The only good thing about all that overtime is that I'll have money to buy more kits, and more projects to dream about. Thanks for all you and Lorna do for the listmembers and the hobby! Hope you and others in your neck of the woods had a great and thankful ANZAC Day. Bob O'Connor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "Melvin Burmaster" Subject: What is on the workbench? Resurrecting the fleet after a fire two years past. I'm starting on the USS Montana (hulls courtesy of old Imperial Navy); the G3; several IJN cruisers I picked up for the price of $7.00 each (ten in all); the USS Salem, the HMS Dreadnought; and restoring ships too many to list when I moved same out of harm's way. From the looks of things, I did not fare too bad, although some scratchbuilts were among the ships which went up like the Great Armada (a bit in for the English brethern). On aircraft (ahem, blasphemy, but forgive me my brethern) I am starting the XB-35, YB-49 and B-1B (all 1/72nd scale). To that I must add the designing of gun turrrets, etc. for the B-36. With 35 years of modelling under the belt (I began early), I can say that I am overwhelmed by the offerings, particularly in 1/700th. Looking into the candy store, the Texas seems like the best next kit to begin. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: MDDoremus@aol.com Subject: What's on the bench? Sadly, nothing :^( The bench has been cleared off, and everything packed away. My 1/700 Fletcher (I'm sure I'll have it ready for Orlando in '99) and 1/177 Gato have been carefully placed in storage along with nearly 200 other kits of various types. Even the bench is folded up and in storage where it will remain until the new house is finished in June. Then I have to start my first major scratch building project. A 1:1 model building room. I have been granted an 11 x 14 alcove in the basement, as long as I can put a wall on the open end to protect the rest of the house from the sights, sound and smells of a mad modeler at work. Wish me luck, I'm gonna need it. Mark Doremus Chesterfield, MO, USA TCAH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Russ Smith" Subject: Re: Canberra Book I've got that that book too Shane. You're right, it's a good book about a unsung but hard working ship! Russ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "Wanderer" Subject: German WW2 destroyer paint scheme, November 1940? Can anyone provide any info on the paint scheme used by the German destroyers Karl Galster, Richard Beitzen and Hans Lody on 29 Nov 1940? They were in action against British J/K class destroyers that night off France, and torpedoed HMS Javelin. Thanks and regards, James -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: tom dean Subject: On the bench Hi gang: I lost my "bench" a few years back when my son transferred back from Ottawa to attend university here at home. My work room was taken over by the "mid- life refit" of his basement bedroom. Been working on the kitchen table since. This adds a lot of time to a project, not having everything at hand as before. But when I did his room over, I installed new wiring, outlets, and track lighting so when he moves out I will have a bigger, brighter workroom than before. Unfortunately, he says he is going to live here until he is thirty! So my wife has to put up with a model close to 5' long on her table for 4 days at a time. The 1/96 "Halifax Class" is finally coming along nicely. It will be H.M.C.S. FREDERICTON. It is at the stage in life where a real ship would be in the fitting out yard. When everything is done up to the deck levels, I am going to put it on a stand in "artificial water" lying at anchor. I will then do the mast and electronic gear on a more stable model. Also working on a 1/700 liberty ship from "Tom's Model Works" that you on the list help me obtain for an old Royal Marine. I work on it on night shifts at work, when the citizens of the city aren't trying to burn the city down. I have earned new respect for you that work in that scale! It will be my first and last model of that size. Tom Dean Hamilton, Ontario Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Quinn B." Subject: Health Warning/what's on the bench/What's in the closet???? Hello comrades, I love finding out what people are working on....I feel better knowing that there are others out there with multiple, unfinished projects!! Re: HEALTH WARNING FROM DAVE JUDY... >> I'm going to the doctors Friday,.......is there a blood test for this.....or something?? There's a woman who's been wandering my house for the last ten years............I think I married her?? << There really needs to be some sort of International Support Group set up for the relatives of afflicted modelling dorks. They are the innocent victims of this horrible plague and deserve compassion and sympathy..... Re: WHAT"S ON THE BENCH? Still working on Classic Warships 1/350 New Orleans Still working on Blue Water Navy's 1/350 Kagero Still working on Nichimo's 1/200 Akizuki All this while also trying to Learn Microsoft SQL Server and Visual Basic Programming, AND find a job in a soft Seattle Tech-Job Market... Re: WHAT'S IN THE CLOSET? I will hopefully get to these projects before the end of the century.... 1/350 Tamiya Prince of Wales 1/350 Classic Warships North Carolina 1/350 BWN Furutaka 1/350 BWN Massachussetts 1/350 Iron Shipwright Tennessee 1944 1/350 ICM Konig 1/350 Iron Shipwright Sheffield 1/400 Heller Scharnhorst 1/700 Hasegawa Essex 1/700 Skywave Takao 1/700 Bandai Space Battleship Andromeda 1/1200 Starship Enterprise D Have fun! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: SMMLCon I also need to add my voice to the paeans of praise for the SMMLCon 2001 recently concluded. To put it simply, it was a great time. Duane and Sami really outdid themselves in putting a great program together and in acting the gracious hosts. To add to the realism of out tour of the Liberty Ship Jeremiah O'Brien, they even arranged to simulate a North Atlantic gale!!! The presentations were: Paul Jacobs - Scratch building and collecting in 1/1250 scale; More than you ever wanted to know particularly for those like me can neither see nor handle the tiny things! :-) Gary Kingzett - did a presentation and demo on improving and accurizing the Glencoe Oregon. He also showed some assemblies for his next project, a large New Jersey (Turn of the century dreadnought version). It should also be noted that Gary took one of the ship model prizes (he was too modest to mention it) for a model with a real story attached. It was a model of a salvage tug that he built 37 years ago while working for a museum in San Francisco while attending school there, and then lost track of. He had been trying to track down some of the models he had built/repaired at that time for a museum that was in the process of rebuilding after a fire. While in San Fran, he got a lead on a few of his models, visited a family in the area and found the model of the tug stored in their home. The owners kindly presented it to Gary, and on a lark, he entered it in the contest. The rest is history!! An award for the model, and surely one for the records for the most convoluted path for a model entered in an IPMS show!! Bert McDowell - did a presentation on accurizing the Tamiya 1/700 Essex carriers; a process that has been the subject of more than one article. Bert nicely pulled it all together and had several examples in various stages to demonstrate the project. Along the way, he also bagged top honors for a jewel of a 1/700 Bogue CVE-9 that was so good, you could hear the planes warming up if you listened carefully Kurt Greiner - did a talk on RC Modeling with a demo of a WIP. We visited the Maritime Museum, the O'brien, and USS Pompanito all along Fisherman's wharf, a tour of the Saratoga (with a truly knowledgeable and gentlemanly retired Chief who had crewed on several carriers during his long career), had a tour of sights of interest in S/F, and a couple of really nice dinners. It was a really good time. All who missed the con, missed an event! After SMML Con 1 aboard the USS Salem and SMM Con 2 aboard the Hornet, whomever attempts to put SMM Con 3 together has some really big shoes to fill In a few days I will be posting pictures of attendees, presenters and many of the ship models (and other models of interest) from the show. Regards, Bradford Chaucer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "WEM" Subject: Re: WEM & 10cm turrets for Taiho Hi Richard Re the query on "PRO 700" parts for the Tamiya Taiho, at this stage.. no.. the IJN has not been considered for the "PROFESSIONAL" treatment. We are, however, about to make a move on new items for the WW2 US Navy in 1/700 scale.. that should keep Brian Fawcett in pattern-making work for the next 12 months or so. ATB Caroline Carter Business Manager (Currently cooking at 80 degrees in Nevada with John Snyder, who just got his fiance's Visa.. yeehahh!!) 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