Subject: SMML VOL 1250 Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:04:57 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: PopSci.com | Exclusive | Russia's Other Doomed Nuclear Subs 2: Re: Yamato's wooden deck color 3: "Agincourt" or something for our Shane 4: Re: HMCS SACKVILLE 5: HMS Agincourt 6: Re: SMS Lutzow plans 7: Used Book Stores In The UK 8: AGINCOURT 9: Rurig Query 10: Re: Tugboat accident on the Delaware Canal 11: Re: China Paint Schemes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: Chicago Nat's 2: Re: OJT judges meeting at the Nats and a request -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Books, magazines, and models for sale 2: FS: Downsizing the fleet! 3: For sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: JRKutina@webtv.net (John Kutina) Subject: PopSci.com | Exclusive | Russia's Other Doomed Nuclear Subs http://www.popsci.com/exclusive/apr2001/subs.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: wem Subject: Re: Yamato's wooden deck color Hinoki cypress is VERY pale--almost a warm off-white. Snyder & Short obtained a sample from Japanese sources, and this is now in Randy Short's possession. However, according to Japanese sources, for her final sortie, YAMATO's wood decks were stained black. John Snyder Snyder & Short The Paint Guys http://www.shipcamouflage.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "D.Przezdziecki" Subject: "Agincourt" or something for our Shane The two other "Agincourts" were: 1st - a barque of 958 tons (sheathed) build in London in 1841 and 2nd - a barque of 669 ton (shethed) build in Sunderland in 1844. They both seems to frequent Australian route but "Agincourt" no.1 early in her carrer often counted among its passenger ...hmmm, how shall I put it in this politically correct times - people with Severe Freedom Deficiency Syndrome?? Nah... for clarity sake lets call them CONVICTS. Regards D.P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: "Chris Preston" Subject: Re: HMCS SACKVILLE Correction, re HMCS SACKVILLE Sorry everyone, I misread the date that Bob Pearson quoted, for his ongoing Corvette conversions. As for CNAV SACKVILLE in her final configuration, in 1982, before her return to a true Corvette, her colours were a dark grey (or possibly black hull), with a medium grey superstructure. On P.95 of "CANADA's FLOWERS", by Thomas G Lynch, ISBN 0-920852-15-7, SACKVILLE is shown tied-up, alongside Jetty 5, in Halifax. The date of the photo is 28 November, 1979, and clearly shows her with the black or dark grey hull, and medium grey superstructure. There is a publication out on the SACKVILLE, similar in size and layout to the "Squadron Shop In Action" series of books. This publication covers the SACKVILLE throughout her career, and was available threw the Base Museum at CFB Esquimalt, Victoria, B.C. Sorry again for the confusion this may have created. ( I think it's time I picked up some glasses). Happy Modelling Chris Preston Victoria, B.C. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "wblad" Subject: HMS Agincourt In 1844 there was an HMS Agincourt, but she was not on the effective list. She was a former 74-gun, third-rate ship-of-the-line of 1747 tons. She was launched in 1817 and sold in 1884. Some of the vessels listed as "not effective" were, nevertheless, converted to screw ships-of-the-line, but most were reduced to harbor service, converted into coal hulks, convict ships, training or drill ships. Most had their guns removed. There is no record of this Agincourt being converted to steam, but the plans may have been for a speculative modernization. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: SolidStump@aol.com Subject: Re: SMS Lutzow plans >> I recently acquired a set of plans for SMS Lutzow drawn by Gunter Trenk, and was extremely impressed. I know he also did a set of plans for SMS Konig (see P.C. Coker's "Building Warship Models"), but what others did he do? Are any of these plans available anywhere? << Trenk did several WW1 era warship plans including Von der Tann (which I have) and Scharnhorst. PC Coker who has written to this list several times used to market Trenk plans. Perhaps he could give us all a clue as to the fate of those drawins. I have looked for his work but have not come across them. If you find anything out...let us all know Best of Luck Simon Scheuer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: JOHNHWER@cs.com Subject: Used Book Stores In The UK I am planning a visit to the UK in early June. Among my normal naval pilgrimages (Portsmouth, Greenwich, H.M.S. Belfast, etc.), I am wondering if anyone knows of any bookstores in the London or South England area that specialize in used books on naval topics? I am already planning to visit Foyles in London for a long awaited haul of new books; the most amazing bookstore in the world! Also, does anyone know of any special naval events / festivals scheduled for early June in South England? I seem to remember that this question may have already been addressed in SMML but can anyone advise again if the ship model shop in the Greenwich area (near the museum) is still in business? Thanks in advance for any assistance that may be offered. John Werler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Kerry Jang Subject: AGINCOURT Hi everyone on the SMML and Seaways list for all of thier help in identifying the ship shown in my plans. Just about everyone came up with the same basic conclusions, AGINCOURT, sister to ACHILLES. David London's SMML post noted this AGINCOURT has a blunt ram bow and a rounded stern, two tall funnels and fully ship rigged with four masts. This very much matches the plans of my ship, although the rigging plan I have shows her with three masts (two square rig, one for and aft). This rigging plan is dated Chatham 1894. There are two two funnels in one drawing, and two in all the rest. The two funnels appear to be the final layout and one is wider than the other. No doubt the confusion is caused by the numerous revisons made to the plans. For example, on one, there are several There are several notes saying, "Alterations shown in burnt sienna - Chatham yard, 1894; or "Drawing corrected as shown in red, Devonport Yard, 1881". The earliest date on the plans is Devonport Yard 15 April (?) 1844, then the signature of the chief constructor. My prints are in black and white, so it is impossible to tell just by looking at them where the revisions were made. Thanks again everyone! Best regards, Kerry Jang -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: wem Subject: Rurig Query Does anyone out there know whether the armoured cruiser RURIG had a planked or steel main deck? John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: Re: Tugboat accident on the Delaware Canal Hi SMMLies, I live about 15 miles north of the canal in Delaware. The way the bow of that tug was sticking out of the water looked just like the African Queen after she was capsized less the home made torpedoes protruding outward. As for a scenic boat ride it isn't too bad. Better if you pass a large freighter coming through. That would give you something more to look at. Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: "Mike Leonard" Subject: Re: China Paint Schemes Art noted - >> The book "The Maritime Paintings of Robert Taylor" has a beautiful painting of German East Asiatic Squadron, including Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, in what looks to me like a white & buff scheme. This may well have been painted out by the time of Coronel and the Falklands, but my question is, didn't most European navies that had units stationed in China use a white and buff scheme? The Imperial German Navy evidently did, I think the Royal Navy did, and think the US Navy used a white and buff scheme at some point prior to WWII, maybe only prior to WWI. << The US Navy Yangtze Patrol gunboats were painted white with buff funnels. USS PANAY was wearing this scheme when bombed and sunk in 1937, and the others probably were still painted white when hostilities with Japan began in December 1941. Am not aware of evidence that any larger US warships in the Asiatic Fleet were painted white and buff between the world wars. >> Why was this scheme used, and was the "buff" color the same for all these navies? << No doubt there were subtle differences in the exact colors used by each country, possibly even within fleets. Mike Alexandria, VA USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Kurt Van Dahm Subject: Chicago Nat's I will be attending, live locally so can meet at any place or time. All OK with me. However, I will be doing the OJT with Rusty so whenever the judging is happening is out for me. Take care, Kurt Van Dahm Westmont, IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: louellet@uism.bu.edu Subject: Re: OJT judges meeting at the Nats and a request Rusty White wrote: >> As long as I'm on the subject of judges and the Nats. I am in particular need of judges who can judge the sailing vessels categories. Every year I always have trouble finding judges who really know sailing vessels. So if you know sailing vessels and would be willing to judge those categories, be sure and tell me. << Rusty, you might want to try asking on the Seaways Ship Modeling email list at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SeawaysShipmodelingList and/or the Ship Modeler's Forum at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ShipModelers-Forum The Seaways list is run by Clay Feldman who publishes "Seaways - Ships in Scale" and I believe it has about 1000 members. I think you might be able to get a few of the "sticks and strings" people to come to a 'plastics' show. I know that Seaways does do features on steel ships even though the mostly feature wooden sailing vessels. Larry Ouellette Volunteer, USS Salem (CA 139) United States Naval Shipbuilding Museum http://www.uss-salem.org or .com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Joseph Low" Subject: Books, magazines, and models for sale I have a large number of the following for sale: - 1/700 scale IJN ship models. - Maru Special on ships of the IJN. - Warship International Magazines. - U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings. - Scale Ship Modeler Magazines. - Naval Forces Magazines. - Fine Scale Modeler Magazines. Please visit the following URL: http://www.ijn.dreamhost.com/Items%20for%20sale/Items%20for%20Sale.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Les Dorr Jr." Subject: FS: Downsizing the fleet! Time to downsize the fleet! Have the following ships and photoetch detail sets for sale. I want to give SMMLies first crack at these goodies before putting them up on other sites or E-Bay. All prices are U.S. $$$. PHOTOETCH DETAIL SETS GMM 1/720 USN Supercarrier $13.00 GMM 1/500 Naval Ship $15.00 GMM 1/480 Yorktown/Hornet Enterprise $24.00 GMM 1/600-1/700 Naval Figures $3.00 GMM 1/700 Naval Decals (Decals, not PE) $3.00 Tom's Modelworks 1/350 figures $5.00 SHIP KITS Revell 1/301 USS Forrest Sherman (DD-931), complete, but decals are for USS John Paul Jones (DD-932). $38.00 (Similar kit sold on E-Bay recently for $61.00) Revell 1/540 USS Forrestal (CVA-59). First U.S. supercarrier. Original configuration with 5" turrets. Missing two aircraft: 1 Banshee, 1 Cutlass. Otherwise complete, incl. good decals $18.00 Revell SSP 1/400 USS Pine Island seaplane tender (AV-11). All parts complete, the PBM Mariner seaplane has its fuselage glued together. $15.00 (Similar kit went on E-Bay recently for $26.00) Revell 1/480 USS Yorktown (CV-5). Complete, unstarted, includes eight 5" open mounts from Arizona kit to replace awful kit parts. $10.00 Monogram 1/400 USS Halsey (CG-23). Missile launchers, tracking radars, superstructure partly assembled. $22.00 (Similar kit went on E-Bay recently for $41.00) Monogram USS Chicago (CG-11). Complete, unstarted. $14.00 (Similar kit sold recently on E-Bay for $19.50). Arii 1/600 USS Missouri (BB-63). Modern configuration with Tomahawk launchers, Phalanx. $11.00 Skywave 1/700 USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG-54). New in box. $22.00 Italeri 1/720 USS Harry S Truman (CV-75). Hull has been waterlined. No lower hull included. Otherwise complete, incl. decals. $10.00 Italeri 1/720 USS Nimitz (CV-68). Hull has been waterlined. No lower hull included. A few of the aircraft decals are missing. All parts on trees. $7.00 Italeri 1/720 USS America (CV-66). Hull has been waterlined and halves are glued together. No lower hull included. Island partially assembled. Missing 1 F-14A. $7.00 Minicraft 1/700 USS Spruance (DD-963). $4.50 Minicraft 1/700 USS Ticonderoga (CG-47). $4.50 Hope you found something you want! I take money orders or PayPal only. Good sailing! Les "Um Tut Sut? Sure, why not?." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Keith Butterley Subject: For sale Hi group, I have some unopened Airfix kits and a set of 1/48 scale plans of the HMCS Sackville for sale. Please see my Second Hand Books section for full details Happy modeling Keith Butterley http://www.warshipbooks.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://www.smml.org.uk Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume