Subject: SMML VOL 1289 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:11:33 +1000 shipmodels@tac.com.au -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Unused Fletcher Hull Number 2: Re: Photoetch rails HMS Intrepid 3: Re: VIP Tour of the Missouri 4: Plans for Hatsuse 5: Re: tips on using eBay 6: Anatomy Books 7: Hobby shops in Sao Paulo, Brazil 8: Re: Captain (Evarts/Buckley) Class Frigates 9: More information! 10: California (sigh, yet again) 11: Re: Anatomy Books 12: Re: VIP Tour of the Missouri? 13: Missing Instructions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation 1: SMML site update -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: FS: 1/72 SS United States -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: Unused Fletcher Hull Number For a what if/fictional project using my 1:350 Tamiya Fletcher I need a unassigned hull number. Perhaps one for a ship that was never completed. I know there were a number of Gearings that were never completed, but am not sure if there are any for Fletchers. Yeah, could probably just use any number, but I'd prefer one that fits into the sequence for the Fletcher class to give it some sembalance of authencity. Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re: Photoetch rails HMS Intrepid Paul, Gold Metal Models has (or at least used to) photo etched stanchions in 1:96 which can be used with wire rails. Edd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Duane Fowler Subject: Re: VIP Tour of the Missouri Hello Peter, I am not intimately familiar with which tours are which aboard the Missouri but I believe that the regular admission includes only the upper weather decks, bridge, and officer's country. The ward room has been outfitted with several displays including models built by list members. When you're there, check out the incredible 1944 Missouri done by Mike Conneley. The VIP tour includes the CIC as well as a couple of other spaces. Perhaps Mike can fill you in more. Best regards, Duane Fowler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Plans for Hatsuse Hi, I recently purchased the Modelkrak 1/700 Hatsuse, and, although it looks like a pretty nice kit, the instructions are extremely basic. Does anyone know of any half-way decent plans of the Hatsuse that could help me out? Thanks! Art Nicholson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Richard Simpson Subject: Re: tips on using eBay Yes, I must agree, there are good things out there, just be careful with what you bid on. I have been looking for some books for a while: Burt, British Battleships 1919 - 1939 Burt, British Battleships of World War 1 Raven & Roberts, British Cruisers of World War II Raven & Roberts, British Battleships of World War II & Ian Buxton, Big Gun Monitors Following some earlier advice from this list I had given E-bay a miss, relying on www.addall.com/used without much success, then at some time I found myself on ebay and quickly picked up Burt 1919 - 1939 for 20 pounds sterling (in Fine condition), R & R "British Battleships of WWII" for US$56 (Fine) and R & R "British Cruisers of World War II" for US$134 (Fine). These prices compared very well with the price from a 2nd hand dealer, when they were available. There are also models of Iron Duke and the like available occasionally. This worked out for me because I knew what I wanted and I knew what they were worth to me and what they cost elsewhere, and would not pay any more than that. I passed on Anatomy of the Ship, HMS Hood (Mint) when it hit US$60.00 because I was not prepared to pay that much for a subject of marginal interest. I have now settled down, learnt the scripting language that underlays their search engine (it is much more versatile then the menu picks - you can for example say you want any item that contains the following ((Heller OR Airfix OR Revell) AND (HMS OR H.M.S. OR Battleship OR Dreadnought OR Battlecruiser OR "Battle Cruiser')) this sort of search now sends me emails whenever a model ship of possible interest is added to the auction list. Unfortunately my search of ((Burt OR Buxton) AND (Battleship OR battleships OR "big gun monitors") has not yet turned up either "Big Gun Monitors" or "British Battleships of World War One", but they will come eventually and I am prepared to wait for as long as I need to. Interestingly, last time I looked auctions generally lasted 7 days and there were 17,000 books being auctioned under the "Militaria" heading at that time. That is an arrival rate over 2,000 per day. I did not read the entire list. Regards Richard Simpson Skipper, USS Alabama, Australian Battle Group, www.ausbg.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: frederick wagner Subject: Anatomy Books Rick, I believe the correct URL is: http://www.scheuer-struever.de -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: roberto paredes Subject: Hobby shops in Sao Paulo, Brazil Hi, I'm flying to Sao Paulo this weekend and I'm looking some hobby shop there. Especially of the area of Morumbi. Additionally, I would like to see some bookstores, because, I'm looking some info about the Brazilian Navy. TIA, Roberto -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Jim Warsher Subject: Re: Captain (Evarts/Buckley) Class Frigates >> Are there any books on the Captain Class? I am looking for photos of HMS Fitzroy in particular. << "The Buckley-Class Destroyer Escorts" by Bruce Hampton Franklin is available from the Naval Institute Press. K-553 HMS Fitzroy appears in a photo on p.118 with supporting text. When I was building a model of K-351 HMS Duckworth, which model now resides in the offices of The Transport Trust in London, I found both the Collingwood and Franklin books to be valuable aids and now own both books. Jim Warsher -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Subject: More information! Hi All Last Sunday (10th June) I attended the 3rd open day of the British Military Powerboat Trust at the Marchwood facility, Husbands Shipyard Estate, Cracknore Hard, Marchwood, Hampshire SO40 4ZD. The aim of this charity and organisation is to collect, restore and preserve examples of historic military craft, and exhibit examples in operational and static condition for the purposes of education and training. That said, since my previous visit last August with friends from Connecticut much more has been achieved. MGB 81 has been planked in and is awaiting the fitting of her new main engines. (These have arrived from Germany). She is already looking "the business" and is painted in her grey undercoat. She is due for completion late this year. HSL 102, and ST 206 were running trips round the harbour, and HDML 1387 (Medusa) was in attendance. (Where I met some good mates from our 16 days together. A force 8 on the south coast and visits to various navy days and France for the "D" Day commemoration in 1994). One bonus was the various stands. The Surface Warship Association and other model clubs were well represented. I would think that there were about 200 different coastal forces models, including a number that have gained Gold Medals at various exhibitions. The standard was indeed excellent. (Not forgetting the Hunt Class Destroyer)!. Other items on view at the yard, apart from the workshops were wartime main power units. Packard, Rolls Royce Merlin, Sea Lion, Thorneycroft, Napier Deltic and other engines. MTB 71 was on static display as was MTB 331, both supported by Hampshire County Council. Other RAF rescue craft were also on static display. (41' 6" ST 1052, 41' 6" ST 1510, Humber, Sea Arrow, Avon, etc). Other stands included The Dunkirk Trust, A.S.R. club, the BMPT shop and a collection of WW II weapons. The Coastal Forces Veterans Association, and their book club. Another bonus (for me) was the stand of the WSS "Small Craft Group". Another of my connections, where I purchased a new limited publication - "RAF Marine Craft". A class directory, Volume One (craft of 120 Ft - 60 Ft). Drawings, photographs and text describing all the wartime and post war Royal Air Force Marine Craft. Yours "Aye" John Lambert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: Derek Wakefield Subject: California (sigh, yet again) Question #1 Does anyone here know where to find a good set of plans of the California (BB-44) following her post-Kamikaze/early '45 refit? The only one's I've seen, found, or heard of show how she was fitted out following her inital '42-44 reconstruction. The only ones I've seen available for that time frame are for the Tennesee, and California differed in appearance, having picked up four additional 40mm quad mounts and traded in her single 20mms for twins. I'm in desperate need of finding a good set of plans showing the details of the hows/wheres all these new weapons were mounted. Okay...I know where they were mounted. There's a small starboard profile and overhead diagram that shows this in Friedman's US Battleships, Gruner's Blue Water Beat, and Breyer's Battleships and Battlecruisers, but the drawings are fairly simplistic. I need something that shows the nitty-gritty details (ladder positions, tub shapes, tub supports, etc) so I can figure out the differences to to correctly convert a '44 Tennessee to a '45 California. The plans in Profile Morskie #6 are the best I've found. It does illustrate some of the differences between California and Tennessee, but it's c.1944 and has a fair number of gaffes (no space between the funnel & forward fire control tower, no port side boat crane, shielded 40mms, etc). Something tells me there are other problems with this set of plans, but those are the only one's I've been able to ID so far. Question #2 This goes back to the Profile Morske plans, Alan Chesley's starboard profile plan of the '45 California in Myron's Golden State Battlewagon, and AL Raven's plan in Friedman's US Battleships. Photos of the ship after the '44 reconstruction shows a space between the stack and forward fire control tower. All of the aforementioned plans show no space in this area. Okay...I accepted that perhaps it was a gaffe. BUT...looking at some of the photos of the ship in Gruner's Blue Water Beat after the '45 refit, the space appears to have been closed up. The photos in question here are one of her in Puget Sound on 4/28/45 and at Wakanoura Wan on 9/29/45. I've seen photos of her in Ms-32/16d prior to the rebuild that clearly show the space (meaning the PM plans are incorrect for the '44 time frame). It's the '45 time frame I have questions about here. Is this "yet another problem" with my Mk-1 eyeball again, or...did they close up that space during the '45 refit? It seems possible as this space was in the vacinity of the kamikaze hit. Derek Wakefield -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: URUDOFSKY@aol.com Subject: Re: Anatomy Books Correction to Anatomy Books: Sorry, I got the names reversed. The correct website is: www. scheuer-struever.de Go to "Online Shop".....enter "anatomy' in box and hit "Suchen" (search) and all the anatomy books will come up with prices in marks and euros. You can e mail them in English, I am sure, to order a book (vertrieb@scheuer-struever.de). Ulrich H. Rudofsky Delmar NY 12054-3306 USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: GRBroman@aol.com Subject: Re: VIP Tour of the Missouri? From: "VanBuren, Peter M" >> I'm lucky enough to be traveling to Hawaii this summer and plan to take the tour of the Missouri at Pearl Harbor. -- SNIP-- Has anyone taken the so-called VIP tour? What if any things does the more expensive tour offer that the "regular" one does not?" << Peter, I hate to be one of those folks who doesn't actually answer the question, as I have never been on board the Missouri since she docked at Pearl, and I don't know the difference between the two tours, but I was on board the Missouri when she was moored at Bremerton before she went back on active duty. I was a young Lieutenant then and my friend's dad was Commander of the Naval Inactive Ship Maintenance Facility at Bremerton. We got the royal tour from stem to stern and bilge to bridge. This was before the modernization. It was absolutely fantastic. One of the machinery spaces was absolutely spotless, the brass still shined. That crew obviously cared about their equipment and their spaces. The gunhouses were difficult to get into, but worth the trip. We spent most of a day on board, that must have been almost 20 years ago, but I still remember what a great experience it was. If the VIP tour includes tours of additional spaces, I would highly recommend it. The Missouri is an incredible ship, she was also the only US Battleship to be equipped with a bathtub, don't know if it was removed during the modernization. To top it off the New Jersey was parked right next door. Glen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: "John Rule" Subject: Missing Instructions Can someone help me. I received the Regia Marina kit of the Motonavi Tipo "Ramb". Unfortunately the instructions were missing from the kit and there is a corner missing from the decal sheet. Can someone who has the kit tell me if there is indeed a piece of the decal sheet missing or is that the way it comes? Secondly, can someone send me a copy of the instruction sheet(s). Please contact me off-list for my fax number. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Infomation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Mistress Lorna Subject: SMML site update Hi ... added some more stuff to the site today. Of course there are the archives but also Peter Hall sends us pics of his Peter the Great... Rhinobones shows us his Aurora and Chris Drage amazes me yet again with his dioramas. Plus Falk Pletscher sends a walkaround of the ORP Warzawa and we've added some pics of the USS Coral Sea. If you've forgotten our new address for the site it's http://www.smmlonline.com Lorna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "Keith Bender" Subject: FS: 1/72 SS United States Hi SMMLies, Anyone interested in a SS United States model. Built in 1:72 scale. She is 13' 9" long and ready for the water. This is just the hull and some superstructure. The model is not complete. The man is asking $2000.oo and he will crate it and ship it to you. His location is CA. If your interested let me know and I'll get you in contact with this person. Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://www.tac.com.au/~sljenkins/apma.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume