Subject: SMML VOL 1413
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:52:18 +1100
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MODELLERS INDEX
1: MKL Soviet river gunboat project 186
2: LCU identification
3: Paint photoetch parts
4: Ship of the line - any ideas?
5: Painting PE and brass
6: 1/350 & 1/700 Wooden Decks
7: Cutting Photoetch
8: Painting PE
9: Graf Zepelin or the Italian "Eagle"
10: USS Oklahoma Planes
11: Kriegsmarine E-Boat website
12: Interesting link
13: Re: Minesweeper type M35
14: Arizona Model
15: Mountbatten Pink PT Boat
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Model club & SMMLcon Infomation
1: SMML site update
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TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX
1: Wanted 1/700 Ships
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MODELLERS
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From: Friedrich Kappes <friedkappes@yahoo.de>
Subject: MKL Soviet river gunboat project 186
Which of these images show the true Project 186 type river monitor?
http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/projekt186.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/project-186.jpg
Or is one of them showing the early look, and the other the look after modifications or of after-war built vessels? Is the latter showing the Zarnista radar?
Friedrich
The FriedrichFiles
http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html
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From: Friedrich Kappes <friedkappes@yahoo.de>
Subject: LCU identification
Which LCU version is shown here in this drawing?
http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/lcu_.jpg
Yours
Friedrich
The FriedrichFiles
http://www.geocities.com/friedkappes/flagship.html
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From: BSteinIPMS@aol.com
Subject: Paint photoetch parts
I'd echo the masterful advice given by that master modeler, Bob Santos: not much preparation - just paint.
When I paint photoetch, whether brass or stainless steel, in the large 1/192 scale, I like to cut the pieces out, lightly (*really* lightly, so as not to snag or bend anything) roughen them up with a fine-grit fingernail polishing stick to enhance paint adhesion (this is done by drawing the stick in one direction only down the length of the part), bend them to fit in place on the model, place them in an alligator clip, then airbrush them the proper color.
Using Floquil paint, I've never had a paint adhesion problem, nor does Floquil flake off when I have to make minor bending adjustments.
Bob Steinbrunn
Minneapolis
Member, Nautical Research Guild
Tin Can Sailors
IPMS/USA #3345
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From: Friedrich Kappes <friedkappes@yahoo.de>
Subject: Ship of the line - any ideas?
http://picpage7.tripod.com/74erlinienschiff-ld.html
shows a drawing of a 74-gun ship of the line. Anybody with ideas which ship this could be or other hints?
Friedrich
The FriedrichFiles
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From: "Jim Johnson" <Bolie@buckeye-express.com>
Subject: Painting PE and brass
Paint sticks to what it is applied to by two different means. It either dissolves a thin layer of what it is applied to or it hangs on mechanically. Some paints will attack plastic but in most cases what we modelers rely on is mechanical adhesion. You wouldn't want to be around anything that would dissolve brass, stainless steel or nickel.
Any paint will stick better if it has some "tooth" to grab hold of. That's why you are often told to "sand lightly between coats". It will both level the previous coat and also give the next coat something to grab onto. The "tooth" doesn't have to be deep enough to be seen, but any thing being painted will benefit from some.
I have found that if you use an etching agent on brass and photo etch, the chance of the paint coming off is reduced. No etching may work, but etching will work better. In addition, as Rusty White pointed out, the PE is thourouly cleaned before shipping. The problem is that after this cleaning, they have to be handled. I have a number of sets that I took out of the kit or packing only to find fingerprints on them. Then I add my own when I handle them. Cleaning and etching will eliminate the oils from your fingers in addition to giving the paint a place to hold on to.
You can use vinegar to do this. My favorite magic potion is model railroad track cleaner. In the RR section of your hobby shop you can find a jar of track cleaner and metal etch. The one I have been using for the past 10 or 15 years was marketed by Walther's. I just put some on and let it dry and then paint. The instructions say to wipe it off but I don't, I just let it dry and then paint.
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From: Ken LeClair <koolken1962@shaw.ca>
Subject: 1/350 & 1/700 Wooden Decks
Looking for sites that explain well on how to make and paint realistic wooden decks for 1/350 & 1/700 ships. Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
Ken LeClair
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From: joe.sus@att.net
Subject: Cutting Photoetch
One more trick you can try is to lay clear plastic wrap over the fret before you cut. The knife cuts right through it, and it helps keep the parts from escaping.
Joe Suszynski
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From: "VanBuren, Peter M" <VanburenPM@state.gov>
Subject: Painting PE
I too paint my PE first, usually the whole sheet the same grey as the ship's hull and/or superstructure. Then, I remove the PE parts as needed, using that familiar SHARP knife. This of course leaves little spots of bare metal that need to be touched up. As stated in a previous post, it is easy to miss those spots on your finished model until the light hits them just right and they shine.
One thing that seems to work is to use only a bright flashlight in a dark room to illuminate the model. By moving the light around, it's beam will hit those bare metal spots and make them stand out for needed touchup painting.
I also shoot a clear flat overcoat on the finished model, which also tames any shiny edges on installed PE.
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From: "Andrew Jones" <andrewj@syd.tomen.com.sg>
Subject: Graf Zepelin or the Italian "Eagle"
Now I have the German Graf Zepelin & i think there is the Italian aircraft carrier by some italian or eastern Erupean maker available, I thought why not have a little discussion on what people think as i recall there was some discussion if the heavier battlewagons than the Tirpitz if they had even been built what effort they would have done to the war effort
I wonder if both of these carriers would have made any difference? who knows, maybe the Zeplin could have protected the Bismark or made the Atalantic a worse battle than it was, my thought's is that who knows...i kinda think that it may have made only a small difference if used correctly , but the Italians were a bit cautious on their battlewagons, so imagine whatthey woul dhave been like with their carrier & the Germans, well then i think the Brits would have made a very strong effort to keep it in port like they did to all large
ships
Andrew
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From: Lump518176@aol.com
Subject: USS Oklahoma Planes
I have never seen any photos of Oklahoma's VO detachment (circa Sept. 1941)...but there are a few photos of Arizona's OS2U's during Sept. 1941. They wore BlueGray over LightGray with four position (small) stars/red centers and black codes (ie: 1-O-4). I am sure all Pacific Fleet's VO's were painted around the same time. In fact, I believe Oklahoma was in the same Battleship Divison as Arizona, so they may have even shared the same VO squadron ( I could be wrong).
Jerry Phillips
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From: JKrakow@aol.com
Subject: Kriegsmarine E-Boat website
Hi
Sorry I've not been very active here recently. In anticipation of Revell-Germany's pending release of the Kriegsmarine Schnellboot, I put together an illustrated online documentary with lots of detail photos, some color photos, and a number of original plans that are large enough to be useful to model builders. Approximately 100 photos so far, more to come.
Please check out my non-commerical ("it don't cost nuthin") website, and forgive the spelling errors.
www.PrinzEugen.com
Click on the photo of the Schnellboot.
Cheers
Dave Krakow
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From: Bradford Chaucer <bradford.chaucer@snet.net>
Subject: Interesting link
Found the following link to a file on carrier deck operations. Lots of useful detail
http://www.advancement.cnet.navy.mil/products/web-pdf/tramans/bookchunks/14014_chp10.pdf
Regards,
Bradford Chaucer
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From: "Bernhard Kayser" <ebk@po.cwru.edu>
Subject: Re: Minesweeper type M35
Hi thorstenwahl@t-online.de
A card model of the type M35 minesweeper might become available soon. I found a 1/250 scale model by cfm-Verlag listed at Scheuer & Strüver http://www.moduni.de/ (item number 7002023). It is announced for November 2001, keep your fingers crossed!
Bernhard
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From: Dave Shirlaw <dshirlaw@telus.net>
Subject: Arizona Model
HC mayor finds home for USS Arizona model
Huachuca City Mayor George Nerhan points to a model of the USS Arizona that he has offered a permanent home in the town. (Bill Hess-Herald/Review)
BY BILL HESS
Herald/Review
HUACHUCA CITY, Arizona -- The USS Arizona's scale model has a new home.
The 34-foot-long replica of the battleship sunk by the Japanese when they attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941, will be berthed between the Huachuca City Senior Citizens Center and the town's Fire Department, according to Mayor George Nerhan.
Nerhan hopes that having the fiberglass battleship replica in his town will be the start of a military museum in the community.
"I would like to have a replica of the Vietnam Wall and something to commemorate the Korean War," the mayor said Monday as he and others waited for the start of the annual Veterans Day Parade in Sierra Vista.
The USS Arizona model was part of the parade and was on display on Fort Huachuca last week during the post's annual Veterans' Appreciation Celebration.
Retired Navy Master Chief Petty Officer Joe Holder said the model was being kept at the Navy and Marine Corps Reserve Center in Phoenix, but getting the ship for activities has been a little difficult.
By keeping the model in Huachuca City, it will be easier for groups to use it for displays or patriotic events, he said. Holder, who now is a schoolteacher in Willcox and heads the Buffalo Soldier Battalion of the Sea Cadets on the post, said the model needs to be enclosed to protect it from the weather.
The local Sea Cadet organization and the Navy detachment on the fort have adopted the model and will keep it in good repair.
Nerhan said he plans to have a protected shelter built for the ship that will have glass so people can look at the model when it is not on tour.
This particular USS Arizona model was constructed in 1982 on a scale of 20 to 1. The original battleship was launched on June 19, 1915, and costs slightly less than $13 million to construct.
The model had two small engines that allowed it to make water trips. The pilot had a position in the ship's conning tower. In 1985, the model made a 1,100-mile trip in the Intracoastal Waterway from Houston to Panama City, Fla. In 1986, it made a 2,200-mile voyage in the Intracoastal Waterway from Tarpon Springs, Fla., to New York City.
Nerhan said he hopes to start a nonprofit foundation of veterans groups to help establish a military museum in Huachuca City.
"Already we have one major display," he said, speaking of the USS Arizona model.
Dave Shirlaw
Editor, Seawaves Magazine
www.seawaves.com
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From: Ed Grune <efgrune@prodigy.net>
Subject: Mountbatten Pink PT Boat
In Alan Raven's series of articles on the Development of Naval Camouflage from Plastic Ship Modeler and reprinted on the shipcamouflage.com website, there is the mention of the US PT-200 operating in the English Channel - and that it was painted Mountbatten Pink.
IIRC, the PT-200 was a 78' Higgins. Would the Mountbatten Pink have been carried all the way onto the decks - or would they have been treated in a more traditional manner - say with 20B or something similar?
Does anyone have any suggested links to photos/drawings of a 78' Higgins from the Channel Theater of Operations. I'm interested in the weapons layout. A photo of the pink one would be preferred! (Al - if you say its in your book -- thats all the more reason to bring out the reprint!)
I have the JAG 78' Higgins and a spare set of brass for an 80' ELCO from WEM's PT-109 kit. I've cast some copies of the torpedo tubes - and I'm ready to do some kit-mingling.
Ed
Mansfield, TX
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From: Mistress Lorna
Subject: SMML site update
For all of you who have been wondering about your next model we've posted reviews of the Tamiya 1/700 JMSDF Ohsumi, Trumpeter 1/200 Soveremmeny and Italieri 1/720 Admiral Kuznetsov added courtesy of Lindsay Charman, Sean Hert and Mike Dunn
If that wasn't enough there's also the following:
Update to the PSM overview in book reviews
SS Jeremiah O'Brien drydock walkaround added to reference courtesy of Chris Friedenbach
Archives 1398-1413 added
Cheers
Lorna
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From: Chris.Evenden@ga.gov.au
Subject: Wanted 1/700 Ships
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone has a spare 1/700 Hasegawa South Dakota or Alabama and a 1/700 Tamiya Nelson they don't need?
Thanks
Chris Evenden
Australia
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