Subject: SMML VOL 1792 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:47:06 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Interesting items on eBay 2: US National Archive plans 3: Micro modelling 4: Request for assistance 5: Re: Driving from the Delmarva Penninsula 6: Driving to the US 2002 IPMS Nats 7: Re: Motor Torpedo Boats 8: Re: Motor Torpedo Boats 9: Russian sub colors below the waterline -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information 1: Re: IPMS Attendees 4 July 02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: paulship37@aol.com Subject: Interesting items on eBay I saw these items for sale at eBay: German Navy in World War II Pictorial Hist Bk http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1547949417 Soviet Warship Development, Volume 1, 1917-37 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1547325775 Canada's Atlantic War WWII Naval Book w'pics http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1547610061 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "Daniel Taylor" Subject: US National Archive plans Hi All I'm after a little help with accessing the US National Archive ships plans section. Being a Brit, the internet would seem a good way of finding things but I have wallowed around the NA site without success. I have tried doing searches but cannot work out where the plans are held, how I can buy them, or find any suggestions as to alternative methods of contact. I feel sure that some of you are experts in this field and I was hoping that you could suggest a direct link. In case it makes a difference, I am after plans for the WWII Landing Craft Infantry (Large). It is the first batch that interests me, numbered 1-350. Alternatively, if any of you already have plans you are prepared to copy and send me, I am happy to transact direct for a reasonable fee. Many thanks in anticipation. Dan Taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Darshan Ward" Subject: Micro modelling Excuse me for a moment while I give myself a dolt slap upside the face, but I just got so carried away. Approaching the lower (or is it the upper) limits of practicable modelling. Failing to find available from my usual reliable source, minesweeping paravanes and cable reels for a WW1 British dreadnought: I thought to myself, "What the hell, I can do better than that, I'll show 'em all, Clear the decks. Four Mark II Vickers paravanes coming up". These are not particularly simple contrivances even in I-I scale, nor are they very large. In I-700 even the sharpest of knives, finest of tweezers, brightest of lights and multiple magnification failed to overcome an unsteady combination of hand and eye when it came to tail fins, bridles and cutters for said pesky paravanes. To feel a special kind of grief, let one of these finished specimens launch from your tweezers at mach 2 to places and dimensions unkown. I finally settled on a satisfactory compromise after time and patience had combined to expire simultaneously. I know there are skills and undertakings that were once state of (my) art and that are now everday practice, so I wonder if six months from now, I can say 'six paravanes? no problem, which type was that again?' but ,boy, those bridles and fins will still be tiny, Does anyone else have tales to tell of the absurd, sublime and ridiculous in the pursuit of excellence; or any tips on dealing with tiny but doable detail. This is by the way one of those "craftsman type" resin projects from a ways back. It's been a long, long job!! Happy Modelling one and all. D Ward -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Richard Simpson Subject: Request for assistance As I mentioned a few SMMLs ago, I have built a set of links to sinking ship pages at http://www.ausbg.org/links.html#photo I would to build up that link section into a comprehensive survey of all good pages (with good quality pics) of ships sinking. What I would appreciate is, if anyone knows of a good page they think should be incorporated, could they please send me the address. You can mail me at rsimpson@telpacific.com.au or webmaster@ausbg.org Thanks in advance Richard Simpson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: annobon4@aol.com Subject: Re: Driving from the Delmarva Penninsula Hi Ed To answer your question. Why? Because I'm planning to drive down and last month went down to Colonial Williamsburg on I-95 and in both cities Baltimore and Richmond they are rebuilding the roads there with traffic crawling along to just go south on 95. Can't hurt to ask.I wish had on that trip. Your looking Northwest of Virginia Beach. Yes I'm north of 50. Northeast of it. My best guess is I can either take RT.73 or 38 to one of the four bridges to cross over into Phillie and get on 95. Or I can use Rt.295 south to Pennsville and cross over into Delaware. Or use 295 again get on 42 to 55 and go to Cape May cross on the ferry to Lewes DE. As previously said I noticed Road construction last year. So I thought I'd ask. Craig -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: MIKE.LEONARD@customs.treas.gov Subject: Driving to the US 2002 IPMS Nats Craig said >> I'm planning to attend the 2002 Nats. Since I'm close enough to drive. I've learned that I-95 has major road reconstruction by Baltimore and during the day traffic moves at snail's pace. << Haven't been to Baltimore lately, but there are usually delays along I-95 and I-64 if one is heading from Washington/Richmond to Virginia Beach, especially at the height of summer tourist season. Be advised also of major road construction around Newport News (I-64). I recommend taking Route 17 or Route 1 if traveling to VB from northern Virginia. MWL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Leslie Brown" Subject: Re: Motor Torpedo Boats The description given seems to apply to the Thornycroft 55ft CMBs. These were not 'hydrofoils' as we know them today but rather planing craft with stepped hulls. The torpedoes were carried on the upper deck in troughs and 'pushed' over the stern (tail pointing aft) before the MTB manoeuvred to avoid the torpedo which would rapidly overtake it. There were also 40ft versions carrying just one torpedo. Regards Les Brown -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: Edd Pflum Subject: Re: Motor Torpedo Boats Franklyn, You are confusing hydrofoils and hydroplanes. Hydrofoils (as you describe) ride on submerged "water wings" ( :) ) with the hull supported above the surface of the water on struts. (The Soviets had some missile / MTB hulls with only a single, forward foil -- the stern acting as on a conventional planing hull.) A hydroplane skims (planes) over the surface of the water on relatively flat portions of the hull. Current "Unlimited Hydros" plane on surfaces at the rear of the sponsons (outriggers) on either side of the bow, while a lifting prop (a propeller designed to generate lift as well as thrust) supports the stern. This lifts most of the hull clear of the water surface, reducing drag and increasing speed. The British CMBs (Coastal Motor Boats), there were both 40' and 55' versions, had single stepped planing hulls. A regular planing hull planes on the aft portion of the hull, raising the bows clear of the water. A stepped hull has a break in the lower surface (imagine cutting a PT hull into fore and aft halves, then gluing the aft half back on at a higher level than the front.) In effect, the step creates an extra "stern" (planing surface) in the middle of the hull. The step also allows air to enter behind the step, breaking the suction between the water and the rear portion of the hull. The hull rides on the step, and the stern in a more level attitude than a regular planing hull. Stepped hulls fell out of favor in the '30s because the step created a structural weak-point (compared to a conventional hull of the same size), and also adversely effected non-planing operation. Steps are now back, with Off-Shore catamaran racers using hulls with multiple steps. The CMBs carried their torpedoes in troughs in the stern. A plunger pushed the fish over the stern, then the boat veered away as described. I suspect the heavy casualties were the result of light construction, gasoline fuel and the necessarily close nature of their combat. Edd -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Jill Ferreira" Subject: Russian sub colors below the waterline I have a couple of Sea Wolf resin submarine kits of Russian subs in l/350 scale and the instructions call for a light gray color below the waterline, is this correct? It seems odd to me. The time would be late Fifties early Sixties. Also, what would the modern Russian subs use below the waterline. Thanks, Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Model club & SMMLcon Information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Darren Subject: Re: IPMS Attendees 4 July 02 >> Here's the latest list of attendees. I spoke with Ted Paris and he has offered to let me put up a message board at his table for SMMLs to leave messages for one another. That should at least give everyone a point to start getting together from. CHARLIE PARKER BRADFORD CHAUCER BOB HEALY JAMES CORLEY RAY BEAN TED PARIS JON WARNEKE MIKE BISHOP HUGH LETTERLY DAVID ANGELO STEVE LAU VINCENT MCCULLOUGH SKIP HASSLER MIKE SETTLE JEFF FENTON LON HEIDLER BRUCE BUCHNER JAY SHERER DAVE JUDY JOHN SHERIDAN STEVE BACKER ED GRUNE BOB SANTOS BOB LAPADURA RUSTY WHITE STEVE COWARDIN JOE SUSZYNSKI MELVIN SMITH WARREN YAUN BOB REDDY CRAIG BENNETT RON MILLARD oh yea and Darren "Hawk one" << HEY!! Why am I last?!?! Why you, You'll be sorry!! I'll have to tell everybody you're an Army guy, Mr. Colonel sir! So have all of us others decided when and where to meet? Without Charlie? Any votes on a Friday afternoon cruise? say 2-3ish? After the Oceana tour, before judging? Interested? Can it be done James? How many would like this? Lets have a show of hands and commitment of support! Darren Scannell Looking forward to my trip and picking on Charlie more. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume