Subject: SMML VOL 1827 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:54:40 +1000 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Jack Aubrey 2: "Battle of Hood and Bismarck" 3: Jack Aubrey - on film 4: Re: paper models Int'l USS Monitor 5: Re: USS Monitor 6: Re: Sea Cocks 7: Re: Jack Aubrey 8: Seacocks 9: USS Missouri scheme 10: Paint experiments 11: Re: Blue Ships at Pearl Harbor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: Re: Schnellboote Alarm! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Jim Mc Subject: Jack Aubrey Jack Aubrey is a character in a series of about twenty books written by the late Patrick O'Brien. Jack, and his partner Stephen Maturin, set about the early 1800's in a series of sailing adventures for the Royal Navy. The books have a huge following, as Mr O'Brien has a knack for describing in detail life aboard a 19th century sailing vessel. Give one a try if you read fiction, they are pretty good. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: Kelvin Mok Subject: "Battle of Hood and Bismarck" >> Last night on PBS, I watched the same program that aired in the UK about 6 months ago on the Hood and the Bismarck search by David Mearns (hope I did not get the last name too wrong) and his exploration of the two wrecks. VERY GOOD! << That was indeed a top class documentary. One comment. The Sonar Sensor was towed behind a four mile tow cable and took 8(?) hours to finish one leg of the search pattern. I believe the commentator said it took another five hours to turn it around to scan the next leg. The sensor housing was itself a long truck sized cylinder and its not hard to visualize that a wide turn around arc would have been necessary to avoid entangling the cable, to maintain cable tension and to maintain the sensor at the proper depth throughout. Five hours! Now wouldn't it have been more efficient to have included control surfaces in the sensor body so that it could have been "flown" underwater to make a tighter turn? The only objection I can think of is turbulence created by fixed control surfaces interfering with the sonar during the scan transit. But these can always be retracted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: "Robert Mosher" Subject: Jack Aubrey - on film Jack Aubrey is the Napoleonic era Royal Navy officer hero of the novels of Patrick O'Brian, which I highly recommend to anyone interested in the period. I have read all of the Hornblower, Richard Bolitho, and Ramage novels (and Aubrey) and Aubrey is probably the best of the newer generation. Unfortunately, O'Brian died (last year?). Paul Brittany is noted in the promo articles as having appeared in "A Knight's Tale" in which he played Geoffrey Chaucer. BTW they may actually be filming this on the US west coast. Robert ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: Re: paper models Int'l USS Monitor >> Do you have a web link for them? << Try: http://www.papermodels.net/new.html You can only order it by phone mail of fax, it is not available through their website. I had a pleasant conversation with the proprietor today, one upshot of which is that one of these is on the way to me. Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: "David T. Okamura" Subject: Re: USS Monitor "David Hathaway" wrote: >> I have seen pictures of the Monitor model and it can only be decribed as superb. At the risk of being accused of advertising, I would also like to point out the 1:250 scale waterline card model of the USS Monitor I publish under the name of Paper Shipwright. << Hi, David! I didn't know you were on this list -- I just got a "fancy meeting you here" from fellow card modeler Maurice O'Brien, and I understand Darek Lipinski's also here. (Gee, what a bunch of friends I have -- nobody told ME about the SMML until now...) ;-) Folks, while David may see it unseemly to brag about his card models, I have no hesitation in praising them. I was involved in test building both his 1:250 scale USS Monitor and CSS Virginia, and I can vouch for their accuracy and detail. I really enjoyed building the USS Monitor, and the CSS Virginia comes with gundeck detail and complete cannons -- though sadly most of this disappears once the casement and upper decks are constructed. (Still, I find it very satisfying knowing that the fire buckets are in there.) ;-) To answer Doug Marrel's question, both USS Monitor models can be found at http://www.papermodels.net, specifically the "New Items" page at http://www.papermodels.net/new.html. The other Paper Shipwright models are also top-quality, and those interested in the early ironclad / pre-dreadnought era should be pleased. David T. Okamura Westminster, California Ship Modelers Association, IPMS/Orange County, IPMS/Northrop ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "David T. Okamura" Subject: Re: Sea Cocks Ken wrote: >> What is the purpose of sea cocks? How big are they and where are they typically found? If their purpose is solely to aid in scuttling, are they found only on warships? << While I can't answer your technical questions, sea cocks can indeed be found on merchant and passenger ships, and there were incidents when such vessels were deliberately scuttled by their crews. One story that comes immediately to mind concerns the burning of the converted troopship USS Lafayette (ex-superliner SS Normandie) in New York. Seeing that the fireboats were making the liner top-heavy, the ship's designer pleaded with the Navy officer in charge to let him board the ship and open the sea cocks, so that the ship would settle evenly on her keel. The officer dismissed the offer, the firefighters continued to pump water into the ship, and eventually the liner keeled over. Had she sank upright it would have been relatively simple to refloat and repair her, but by the time salvage crews righted the liner, the ship was a total loss. Though no lives were lost, ocean liner fans still consider this to be one of the most terrible and needless losses of the superliner era. David T. Okamura ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: MEDWAY Subject: Re: Jack Aubrey I always thought Russell Crowe was a real life "fush & chups" Kiwi? Michael Brown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: nd.ward@virgin.net Subject: Seacocks I spent many years as an engineering officer in the Merchant Navy, and I can say that there was no such thing as a a sea cock for the express purpose of scuttling a ship. Ships are subdivided into watertight compartments - warships even more so - and are designed to float with several flooded, including the engine room. There is no need to make special provision for flooding ( we managed it easily by mistake ), as removal of the tops of filter boxes, or removal of the covers of coolers, condensors etc. will provide more than adequate flow to flood a compartment quickly. Scuttling charges placed against valves, watertight bulkheads etc would hasten any flooding. There are such things as sea cocks, these tend to be small ie about 50mm bore and unlike a valve are either open or shut. The largest (600mm+) through hull valves tended to be the sea suction valves, for cooling etc (sometimes called main induction), although the ballast system on most ships would run it a close second. Dave Ward ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: "Robert Lockie" Subject: USS Missouri scheme OK, since nobody else has chipped in on this one&. As far as I am aware, BB63 wore only two schemes during the war - a commissioning scheme of Ms32/22D (designed for a destroyer) and Ms22 for her service in the Pacific. Ms22 was a graded system with the hull up to the lowest point of the main deck edge in navy blue 5-N and the remainder of vertical surfaces in haze gray 5-H. Horizontal surfaces were supposed to have been deck blue 20-B and I have a recollection that Missouri's wood decks were painted because I seem to recall reading that the paint was removed for the surrender ceremony in Tokyo Bay. Overhangs were to be painted in white 5-U for countershading. White Ensign stocks the requisite paints. For p/e, I would go for the Gold Medal Models set, on the basis of what I have read, although I have not used the GMM set for this particular kit. I have no equity stake or non-customer relationship with either firm. Both firms are regulars on this forum. Robert Lockie Swindon UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: PXGOLLIN@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Paint experiments In volume 1825, John Snyder wrote ; >> Whether the other Dido-class cruisers in the squadron, or whether other Med-based ships did likewise is not mentioned. And no, neither WEM nor S&S will be producing colour matches for oil-stained teak. << I find it strange that John won't be investigating the full potential of this using the teak flooring of his new home. I'm sure Caroline would be enthusiastic to see the differing effect of different types of fuel oil and the bleaching effect of dragging heavy sharp objects across a floor. Come on John - a full size experiment would help us all. Then you could experience the colour of an underwater hull with fouling when Caroline throws you into a dock. Two authentic new colours from one experiment!!! Go on John! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Sanartjam@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Ships at Pearl Harbor Hi John, Thanks for posting the very interesting letter about camouflage paint at Pearl Harbor. I see that the text of the letter is on the Ship Camouflage web site under "Special Topics" and "Pearl Harbor Experiments." It is clearly not, however, the same letter as the one I quoted from Christopher Wright's letter to the editor in the 2001 No. 3 issue of Warship International at page 217-18, since it does not contain the passage quoted by Mr. Wright. Perhaps Mr. Wright could favor us with a copy of the letter he quoted from, or at least the exact date of it; he only says it was dated during December 1941. Art Nicholson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: John Snyder Subject: Re: Schnellboote Alarm! >> I just received a call today (July 22) from a hobby distributor that the Revell-Germany Schnellboote kits have finally made it to the US distributors. Your favorite dealer should have it in the next two weeks or less. Retail price is $22US. This is a great kit. I highly recommend it. << To which I will add that we have received an initial shipment of Schnellbootweiss (S-boat White), and the 2 greys you will need for deck and underwater hull for your Revell S-boat. Of course, don't forget our PE 7201, the dedicated photoetch set for this kit. We have now received all but 2 of the 12 Kriegsmarine colours in our Colourcoats paints. In stock and ready to ship now are: KM01, Hellgrau 50 KM02, Dunkelgrau 51 KM03, Dunkelblaugrau KM04, Schiffsbodenfarbe III Rot 5 KM06, Dunkelgrau 2 KM07, (Norwegian) Blaugrau Dunkel KM08, (Norwegian) Blaugrau Mittel KM09, (Norwegian) Blaugrau Hell KM10, Schnellbootweiss KM11, Schlickgrau 58 The last 2 colours, KM05 Schiffsbodenfarbe III Grau 1, and KM12 Blaugrau 58.1 should be here within the next week. Other news: I have just sent off an order for the next series of colours to be added to the Colourcoats line. These will be: M14, JMSDF Grey M15, JMSDF Deck Grey RN 12, MS 4 RN 13, MS 4a RN 14, G45 RN 16, B15 RN 17, B20 RN 18, B55 (1943) RN 19, Mountbatten Pink Light For you 1/600 scale fans, our 1/600 Arado Ar-196, WEM Pro 623, is now ready to ship. This little beauty comes with its own photoetch details, and will really dress up those German ships. And speaking of 1/600 scale, don't forget our new WEM K601, HMS EXETER Type 42 destroyer is now here and shipping. Best, John Snyder White Ensign Models http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/white.ensign.models/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume