Subject: SMML VOL 2152 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:06:29 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http://sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1: Warship Perspectives; Naval Terminology 2: Re: UK ship models 3: interesting item on ebay 4: Re: Signal Flag codes 5: Oscar 2 Class Model 6: Re: Striking The Colors 7: Re: Polish translation 8: Dragon releases 9: Photo etch parts - dry laminate 10: Re: Polish Translation 11: N-Gauge Thanks! 12: Re: Photoetched Parts 13: Squadron Green 14: Polish Translation 15: Re: hobby shops in japan 16: Re: Polish Translation 17: Re: Oscar 2 Class Model 18: Polish Translations 19: Benson/Gleaves class experts, I need your help! 20: Trumpeter 1/350 Nimitz 21: Bottom Paint 22: 1/350 Arizona guns -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1: HMS Starling drawings ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: Michael McMurtrey Subject: Warship Perspectives; Naval Terminology I just today received the Warship Perspectives book on Essex-class carriers. This is the first of these I've seen, and while I am generally impressed with the quality of the book and the photo reproduction, I was struck by a couple of things: 1. There is no scale shown for the included and otherwise excellent drawings and plans, nor are there any stations/frame numbers shown on the drawings, including the body plan This limits their usefulness as model-building references. I suggest that scale bars and frame numbers be included on drawings in future volumes, if at all possible. 2. This is probably nit-picking, but the author refers to all ships as "the (name)" i.e., "the Essex," "the Intrepid," etc. This usage seems more and more common these days in books about ships. I always thought that proper naval terminology was to refer to the ship by name but without the definite article. As a former WW II sailor explained to me, a ship's name is considered to be a proper name, just like the name of a person, so you do not use "the" when referring to a ship by name any more than than you would when referring to a person by name. We refer to persons by proper name (i.e., "Edward," not "the Edward") and should refer to ships similarly (i.e., "Essex," not "the Essex."). Comments from any old salts? These points notwithstanding, Glenn Arnold's Warship Perspectives on the Essex-class carriers is an excellent resource for those attempting to build the new Trumpeter kit or the available 1/700 kits, or those with an interest in these ships, and I highly recommend it. And thanks to Warship Books for their speedy shipment of my order all the way from Canada to Heartland, USA (Stillwater, Oklahoma). Michael McMurtrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From: "David Griffith" Subject: Re: UK ship models Dear Mr Coker Just got back from holiday, so I'm a bit late in replying to your posting. If you are planning to come up to Scotland at the end of May, is it to visit the International Festival of the Sea at the Port of Leith, Edinburgh, May 23-26? If not, it might be worth your while adjusting your itinerary a bit. It's nice to hear of someone actually planning to visit Glasgow. Everyone goes to Edinburgh, but not a lot come to the other side of the country. Glasgow is a proud and interesting city, but not a pretty one. You mention the "Tech Museum". I assume you mean the Museum of Transport at Kelvin Hall. This is well worth seeing and has an excellent collection of ship models, mostly with a River Clyde connection. Free entry, but it's shutting for an extended period in the near future while a new home is built. There is also a smaller exhibition called "Clydebuilt" at the Braehead shopping centre. I don't know what it's like as I've never been in it. Further afield you could try the Maritime Museum at Irvine. This has the feel of "work in progress", but I suppose we ought to be supporting establishments like this. Over the other side of the country is the Scottish Fisheries Museum at Anstruther in Fife. This really is a delight and the wife will probably enjoy a trip out to this charming fishing village on a fine spring afternoon. So will you! If you've got time on your hands and like real ships as well as models, then at Dundee you can see Captain Scott's ship Discovery and the frigate HMS Unicorn, one of the oldest wooden ships still afloat. Unfortunately, I don't know of any private collection you can visit. My own model ship collection consists of just five plastic ones and one wooden, so hardly qualifies for the name!! If you want to visit model shops, there aren't any ship specialists. However, Jamieson's Models in Saltmarket, Glasgow, is IMHO the best in Scotland. Mention my name, but it probably won't be enough to get you a really socking great discount. Wonderland Models, in Lothian Road, Edinburgh, is also worth popping into. I hope you enjoy your visit. Drop me an email and let me know how you get on at davidbgriffith@hotmail.com Regards David Griffith (ex-pat Englishman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From: Bradford Chaucer Subject: interesting item on ebay This is a power supply fort resistance soldering. The price is absurdly low at present, it's sitting at $5 with 2 days to go. Grab it while you can. It's not mine, (I already have several!! :-) ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=484&item=3123055862 Regards, Bradford Chaucer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From: URUDOFSKY Subject: Re: Signal Flag codes Don't forget that England and Germany had their own alphabetic sets of flags in WWII, some resembling the present day International code, but with different meanings. The German Kriegsmarine 1944 set is reproduced at http://www.kbismarck.com/flags.html. Also, the names associated with the German letters changed over time, particularly, in 1934 http://www.tu-berlin.de/~gebrauchsanleitung/Buchstab.htm. The Deck and Boat Book of the United States Navy (1914) lists alphabetical flags (said to be similar to the international code of the time), but they are quite different from the present day international code. Anyone who wishes copies by e-mail of the German WWII or USN WWI sets, can contact me. Perhaps the webmaster may wish to post them? PS: Does anyone have a good reproduction of the British RN set of WWII? Ulrich Rudofsky ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From: Starline / Fleetline Subject: Oscar 2 Class Model Hi Chuck, You are right it is a great kit compared to the Maquette one I think you were refering to. First things first, the missile hatches are individual and cover two cannisters each. I have a photo of an open hatch if you e-mail me I'll send it to you (starline@netspace.net.au). They hinge from the top. You are correct with the colours for the early boats. Boats over the past few years have been painted red below the waterline stripe. I think Kursk was red but had tarnished to the dark grey colour. The projections are indeed cooling inlets and are angled down (i.e. 90 degrees from where they are mounted). Now the bad news, although an excellent kit, like the Typhoon they have the stern wrong, she has TWO lower rudders not one and the props are 7 bladed but with a peculiar five blade vortex arrangement on the hub. These mods are pretty easy to do and the kit manufacturers aren't to blame. As with most subs it looks like the Russian Navy put out alot of mis-information at the time, all the artwork & animations show the same wrong arrangement. As for references, the Discovery Channel's 'Raising of the Kursk' is good, as is this web page: http://submarine.id.ru/thumbs/949/index.shtml Actually just checked this page, it's been updated a bit and answers all your questions, with photos and an accurate drawing. (Except for the screws) All the best...Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From: "Craig Bennett" Subject: Re: Striking The Colors Hi I'm on vacation today so I used a couple books and offering a list of US ships that struck their colors after fierce fighting. American Revolution 1775-1783 USS LEXINGTON TO HMS PEARLE USS CABOT TO HMS MILFORD USS'S HANCOCK and FOX to HMS'S RAINBOW,FLORA,VICTOR USS RANDOLPH TO HMS YARMOUTH USS ALFRED TO HMS ARIDANE USS VIRGINIA to HMS ERMERALD AND CONQUENOR USS CONFEDERACY TO HMS ROEBUCK AND ORPHESUS USS TRUMBULL TO HMS IRIS AND GENERAL MONK Quasi-War with France 1796-1800 USS RELALIATION TO FNS L'INSURGENT PIRATE WARS 1800-1845(Mediteerean Sea,,Central and South American waters)USS PHILADELPHIA to Tripolian navy gunboats. War of 1812 1812-1815 USS NAULITIUS TO HMS AFRICA,AEOLUS,and SHANNON USS CHEASPEAKE TO HMS SHANNON USS ARGUS TO HMS PELICAN USS ESSEX TO HMS PHOEBE USS FROLIC TO HMS ORPHESUS USS RATTLESNACK TO HMS LEANDER USS SOMERS and OHIO to HMS CHARWELL USS PRESIDENT TO HMS MAJESTIC,ENDYMINION,PONOME,and TENEDOS USS PEACOCK TO HMS NAULITIUS Mexican American WAR 1846-1848 USS TRUXTUN TO Mexican Army Coastal Batteries. Note : British losses during American Revolution were even to their victories and in the War of 1812 RN losses were more than their victories. In both conflicts a lot of attention was placed on merchant ships and the use of privateers with navies was used against them with huge loss on both sides. I hope this of use Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From: "Hans Christensen" Subject: Re: Polish translation This site contains some of the missing words: http://www.cardmodelers.org/translation/Polish.txt And then there are a translation site: http://www.translate.pl/pl.php4 Hope this is useful Hans Christensen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From: "Craig Bennett" Subject: Dragon releases Hi I recently looked at the new 2003 catalogue for Dragon. They have announced the following kits for this year. 1/350th scale # 1014 USS KIDD DDG-993 # 1015 ROC NAVY KIDD CLASS (USN is supposely selling all 4 Kidd class to Taiwan) 1/700th scale #7036 French frigate Lafayette #7037 Russian Kirov class Admiral Nakhimov #7038 Russian Kirov class Pyotr Velikhiy #7039 USS Winston Churchill DDG-81 #7040 USS Arizona BB-39(Photo appears to be pre war) #7041 USS Pennsylvania BB-38(Photo appears to be possibly 1944) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From: Ron Hillsden Subject: Photo etch parts - dry laminate Norman, go to http://members.shaw.ca/modelflags/, select "tips", and you can see what I do with a product called "Press 'n Peel" Ron Hillsden Victoria BC Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From: THEGAVEL Subject: Re: Polish Translation poklady=layers dzwig=lift, elevator, crane glownego, glownej, glownym=main, chief, principal kal=?, kalac is foul, pollute and kat is corner, a lot of nonrelated words start with kal like calendar and heater.... lodzi=boats lodziowy=of boats osmioulufowej=looks to be a derivative of besmear plywak=float, swimmer podstawie=on this ground, base poklad==lay, place relingu=?, throw a couple of words around it and see what might be logical.... sciany=wall sredniej=middle, medium, average swiatlo=light wiezyczka=turret ze=with, from, out of, off, through, by, of John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From: Ned Barnett Subject: N-Gauge Thanks! I want to thank all who replied to my request for leads to N-Gauge (1/160) kits that could be incorporated into a waterfront scene. So far, I'm going with a coal barge (easy to do and easy to position) and maybe a river tug, if I can find one. I was hoping for some WW-II light vessel to have as a war memorial or "museum" on the layout, but the only one I've seen is way beyond my budget. I'm sure it's worth the price, but it's a price I don't have in order to pay. Anybody else who knows of ships, accessories, PE, etc., in this scale, please let me know (and if you have something in your personal collection you'd like to unload, contact me, please, at interned@anv.net). Thanks! Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) From: "Tim Perry" Subject: Re: Photoetched Parts >> About 4 Months ago I started work on Revell's USS Lionfish, needless to say, the detail's not all it could be (come on-it's an old, old kit...almost as old as I am). I decided to try making my own photoetch detail parts. Yes, I did purchase the ones that were available from Nautilus.com, as well as new resin parts. I used CorelDraw 8.0 to generate the graphics,, and there's a fellow here in Buffalo, NY who can create either negatives or positives from the CorelDraw files (up to 6000 dpi). Now come the problem: I bought a kit from Datak to sensitize the brass sheet, develop and etch it. The results were spectacularly unsuccessful. Plan "B" is to use a dry photoresist laminate, using an office-type laminating machine. Is there any one out there who has done photoetching at home? if so I could use some tips. I've visited Randy Gordon-Gilmore's site: http://www.prototrains.com/, and got a lot of insight there. Hope to hear from someone...this kit could really be an awesome model with just a few more additions. << Hi Norbert, I built an etching plant for my old business, and to be honest, it is just grief unless you have the proper equipment. You have done all the hard stuff with the artwork, even getting films done, so I'd suggest finding a commercial etching company and get them to do it for you! I know several here in the UK, but I'm sure a trawl of the Internet will turn up someone who can help you in your locale. It might cost a few dollars, but at least you will get clean crisp etchings; and they will be set up to handle the chemicals properly. You really should not just flush exhausted eching fluid down the toilet! (you will have very clean pipes though......) Tim Perry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) From: Ned Barnett Subject: Squadron Green I began using Squadron Green back in the mid/late 60s; recently, I dug out some models I'd made in the 70s or maybe early 80s (no more recently than that) which had Squadron green filler. For the past 5 years at least (in most cases, for the past 12 years), these models had been stored in a garage. I live in Las Vegas, Nevada, so that means the summer garage temperatures sometimes approached 120 F. In examining a dozen or so models, I found that some of the glue seams didn't hold (Krazy Glue, I think), but the putty had held up perfectly. This was not an intentional torture test, but it nonetheless served the right purpose. Since I now have some secure display areas for these built-up kits, I'm now trying to figure out how to re-glue some seams without having to disassemble and reassemble the entire models. At least I won't have to re-fill them. Ned ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) From: Graeme Martin Subject: Polish Translation Hi Roger. Try ringing or faxing Christopher Cooke from Marcle Models (UK) on 44 1494-765910. He should be able to give you the translations of most of those words. I know poklad is DECK. cheers, Graeme Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15) From: "Roy Knight" Subject: Re: hobby shops in japan >> Does anyone has e-mail or postal adresses of large model-shops in Japan,who are able to understand and write english? Thanks in advance << I use Hobby Link Japan hlj.com when I have ordered online. They have English speaking staff and have a very large stock of kits, both plastic and resin. I hope this helps you out. Roy Knight ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16) From: "David N. Lombard" Subject: Re: Polish Translation >> I have recently bought the Profile Morskie book on the battleship HMS Queen Elizabeth as I intend to build her in 1/128 scale. The book is written in Polish, of which I know zilch. The text I can live without but the words on the drawings and plans are very important. I have found an 'on-line dictionary' so have managed to translate a lot of what I need but I am not able to translate the following: << >> poklady << context needed laying multiple things flat, like lumber, steel plates. lectures, often university >> dzwig << crane >> glownego, glownej, glownym << glownego: main or lead person, posessive male glownej: main or lead person, female, glownym: main or primary (non gender), like primary direction >> kal << ? >> lodzi << people >> lodziowy << posessive, nation of people >> osmioulufowej << eight of (something) >> plywak << swimmer >> podstawie << context needed, example, a saucer from a cup and saucer, or the bases of something >> poklad << context needed: laying a thing flat, like lumber, steel plates. a (university) lecture >> relingu << ? >> sciany << walls, bulkheads. The "y" ending makes it plural (poklad vs. poklady) >> sredniej << mid point, midships >> swiatlo << lamp >> wiezyczka << (my wife says she should know this... ;^) >> ze << context needed that, as in: I can tell you that ... because of David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17) From: "dengar" Subject: Re: Oscar 2 Class Model http://submarine.id.ru/thumbs/949/index.shtml Hi, this site has plans and some good photographs, hope it helps. Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18) From: ED_LARYEH Subject: Polish Translations I write articles for the Polish journal "Okrete Wojenne" (Warships) but I write in English. The editor has my material translated by someone who REALLY knows both languages. I do not actually speak Polish. That being said, here are some translations, and best guesses, on some of those words. I hope there are other SMMLies who respond with better information. poklad - poklady = deck/decks of a ship dzwig = crane Glownego, glownej, glownym = forward or towards the bow of the ship kal ~ i believe is used as a short form of caliber lodzi = ice (lodziowy is therefore a compound word like ice-machine or pack-ice?) plywak = to float or swim podstawie = a base or foundation sciany ~ a platform swiatlo = swiati means "of the world" from the root swiat(world) (my Polish grammer is non-existant so I cant tell what "lo" means) wiezycka = gun turrets ze is a connecting word that I usually think of as being "of" or "belonging to" Roger, I Hope this is helpful until a better translation comes along. Good luck with your Queen Elizabeth. Aryeh Wetherhorn Elazar, Israel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19) From: "Franz Aigner GmbH" Subject: Benson/Gleaves class experts, I need your help! The Benson/Gleaves class Warship Pictorial has a foto of DD432 USS Kearny that shows some differences to the Skaywave Monssen kit. 1) No 2cm gun tubs aft of 5' gun Nr.2 (or is it in the shade?) 2) 2cm gun slightly protruding tubs on top of the bridge, 3) Bridge platform splinter shield damaged or replaced by rail with canvas shroud 4) 3 round tubs (on each side) in place of 5'gun Nr.3. What did these tubs contain? Were they placed next to each other, or was there some space between them? 5) Were the light AA guns 0,5' or 2cm guns? Thank you for your assistance, Richard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20) From: "chris" Subject: Trumpeter 1/350 Nimitz Hi All, For those interested in such things, the Australian importer of Trumpeter has given word to one model shop here that the next shipment of Trumpeter kits, due in late April/May, MIGHT contain the 1/350 Nimitz. Even if it doesn't, the fact that the importers are making statements like this means that the kit can't be far off! Thanks, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21) From: Edwparent Subject: Bottom Paint Irwin, I am passing this on to SMML. Maybe someone on that chat-line can help. -especially Al Ross. >> Can anybody give me a specific recommendation (brand, color, source) for bottom red, to be airbrushed on carrier Yorktown, scratch-built in plastic (not by me)? << Ed P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22) From: "Terry Clark" Subject: 1/350 Arizona guns I would like to ask if anyone knows where I can buy 1/350 scale 5inch 51 guns for the USS Arizona Terry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From: "lamkeel" Subject: HMS Starling drawings Good morning all "Eureka" - On Sunday afternoon I completed a set of five drawings for the famous Improved Black Swan class sloop, HMS Starling. These have been redrawn in great detail from her "As Fitted" builders drawings. Sheet A shows her external G/A. (General Arrangement), two ships badges (official and unofficial), enlarged detail of her open bridge and a G/A of her twin 4" H/A Mark XIX Mounting. (7 drawings). Sheet B provides her rigging plan, sheer lines and sections. (8 drawings). Sheet C shows her G/A in greater detail at a slightly larger scale than sheet "A".(5 drawings). Sheet D drawn at 1/8"= 1' provides 8 hull sections and detail. (11 drawings). Sheet E provides more close detail, a side view of the twin 20mm Oerlikon power operated Mark V Mounting with its blast box, as fitted to the two quarterdeck mountings, two small profiles of modifications in 1944 and 1945 and details of her post war modifications.(8 drawings). Over 300 items are listed with a total of 47 drawings. I will provide a special offer for the set at - £40.00 including oackaging and postage. Now back to Volume 3 of Alied Coastal Forces! As usual, You heard it first HEAR.! Yours "Aye" John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Backissues, Member's models & reference pictures at: http://smmlonline.com Check out the APMA site for an index of ship articles in the Reference section at: http://apma.org.au/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume