Subject: SMML VOL 2187
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:25:49 +1000
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MODELLERS INDEX
1: Re: 40 mm gun shields
2: Re: Saratoga question
3: Shell Welder photos
4: 40mm gun shields
5: Re: Gunther Prien
6: Photographs of USS Oklahoma
7: Re: Scapa Flow Günther Prien film
8: Re: Scapa Flow Günther Prien Film
9: Re: USS Arizona Colors
10: O.R.P "ORZEL"
11: R.A.N. Storm Grey
12: H.M.A.S. ARUNTA
13: Australian Ship Drawings
14: Royal Navy Ships' Badges on Dockyard Walls
15: Re: Scapa Flow Günther Prien Film
16: Re: U.S.S. CONSTITUTION
17: Scapa Flow Gunther Prien Film
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TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX
1: Tamiya 1/350 USS Fletcher instructions
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MODELLERS
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From: Steve Singlar
Subject: Re: 40 mm gun shields
>> Does anyone know what the "rule" was on when quad 40mm mounts in the U.S. Navy in WWII had gun shields and when they didn't? Thanks for your help! <<
Art,
It is my understanding that that two things determined the use of the gun shields on the 40mm Quads:
1. Availability of the steel (in short supply early in the war)
2. Weight - Many prewar ships were getting pretty top heavy by the addition of guns, electronic, and other items as the war progressed.
The gun shields on the 40mm's were removed to reduce topside weight. Case in point was USS Enterprise CV-6 Her mounts did not have the shields for exactly this reason.
Steve
Pelham, NH
Where the snow and the "Old Man in the Mountain" are gone
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From: "Jim Mcneil @ Slackers"
Subject: Re: Saratoga question
to Raven0222:
Using as reference "Warship Pictorials #11, Lexington Class Carriers", on page 35 there is a caption to a photo stating that Saratoga had her flight deck widened in a refit of August 1941 and this photo shows the 8" mounts. On page 36 is a photo dated between "Dec'41 and Jan'42" clearly showing the upper forward mount although the lower forward one is mostly obscured. The caption says that she was torpedoed shortly afterward and while docked for repairs the in Pearl Harbour had the 8" mounts removed. The next photo dated 17 Sept'42 shows 5"38 mounts in place of the 8" mounts
Jim McNeil, in Slackers
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From: Jimmyjb
Subject: Shell Welder photos
Greetings,
I am going to tackle the Shell Welder coastal tanker using the Frog kit with the Academy photo etch set. The problem is that the box art is not much of a guide to painting or even deck detailing for that matter. Does anyone know where I might find some photos of the ship? Preferably on the internet. I am unable to find any references to the actual ship. I know she was built in 1955 at Cleland's shipyard, but photos seem to be scarce.
Jim Bloom
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From: EDWARD GRUNE
Subject: 40mm gun shields
Art wrote about a "rule" on the use of shields on 40mm BOFORS mounts.
Hi Art:
The only "rule" I can think of is ... check your references.
WWII-era destroyers and treaty cruisers were so tight on their topweight budget that I would imagine that the yards were under orders to save every pound of weight that they could. The shields would be done away with. Battleships didn't have a similar weight restriction.
Ed
Mansfield, TX
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From: "Lorin Hart"
Subject: Re: Gunther Prien
The film would seem to be: "U-47 -Kapitanleutnant Prien (1958)". It is available in Europe, VHS format only (that I can find).
A url to check out is: http://www.imdb.com/
Enter the name "Gunther Prien" and you should find what you need!
Lorin Hart
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From: Michael McMurtrey
Subject: Photographs of USS Oklahoma
Few if any of the SMMLites are probably aware of it, but in the Photographic Collections of the Western History Collections in the University of Oklahoma Library are an outstanding set of black-and-white original photographic prints taken by Woodrow W. Smith during his tour of duty on battleship Oklahoma. Included are photographs of the U.S.S. Oklahoma, U.S.S. Chicago, U.S.S. Lexington, U.S.S. Saratoga, and other U.S. naval warships and aircraft. The photographs are of a 1936 cruise of the U.S.S. Oklahoma with scenes of the Panama Canal, San Diego and San Francisco, California.
You can see thumbnails of these photos at http://libraries.ou.edu/depts/westhistory/Smith/index.html
Copies can be ordered from the Library; details are on the website.
Michael McMurtrey
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From: URUDOFSKY
Subject: Re: Scapa Flow Günther Prien film
check:
http://uboat.net/special/movies/item/97
and http://www.u47.org/index.asp
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From: Volker Haeusler
Subject: Re: Scapa Flow Günther Prien Film
Miguel,
I think that movie was NOT "an old Hollywood film", but a 1958 German production.
Original title "U 47 - Kapitaenleutnant Prien", filmed in Berlin and around Cartagena. The Spanish title was "U 47 - Capitano Prien".
For more on the movie (in German) see
http://www.deutscher-tonfilm.de/u47kp1.html
Amazon.de lists that movie as "no longer available" in it's (German) VHS tape form, but you can register there for a second hand copy - again, of the German version only
Volker
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From: SceneN3D
Subject: Re: USS Arizona Colors
Mr. Snyder
I concur with your assessment re. the AZ's paint schedule as of 12/07/41, i.e., Measure 1. overall 5-D dark gray on all surfaces up to stack cap; all above this level was 5-L light gray. This usually encompassed the tops of masts, fighting tops, and in some cases, the top level of particularly tall smoke stacks. All wooden deck surfaces were natural teak. (This was the standard painting schedule for most of the battle line at Pearl as well as many other warships in the Pacific fleet at the time). The exceptions being Oklahoma and Nevada which were in Measure 5, which essentially was Meas. 1, but with the addition of a false bow wave, usually in white. B.T.W., Arizona's contingent OS-2U Kingfisher a/c were at Ford Is. NAS at time of the attack.
hth
bob bracci
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From: andrew jones
Subject: O.R.P "ORZEL"
Question oh wise people out there in e-mail land
I have the mirage 1/400 Orzel WW2 sub
now the problem is that it states the hull is HUmbrol 107 WW1 Purple..now seems that 107 is no longer in production..what would be the closest match in the standard paints, humbrol, modelmaster, revell.
Thanks in advance
Andrew Jones
Oz
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From: "Brett Morrow"
Subject: R.A.N. Storm Grey
If you want to get some RAN colour Steve, WEM will very soon be releasing this colour in their colourcoats range.
Brett M
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From: "Brett Morrow"
Subject: H.M.A.S. ARUNTA
Hi Art,
Acording to my info those colours for Arunta are indeed 507A & 507C. A very good book is printed by the Aust.Naval Historical Society called Aust. Battle and Tribal class destroyers by Vince Fasio, it is full of excellent info. BTW your book on V/W class that I got from you was brilliant, finally finished my Waterhen, hope to send you some pics in the near future.
Cheers,
Brett M
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From: HGYL
Subject: Australian Ship Drawings
Back in the early 1970s an Australian company called P.A.Webb produced a number of very good ship drawings. These were mainly of Oz warships but there were also some of RN ships. Does anyone know if the company still exists and if so, their contact co-ordinates?
Regards to all,
Harold Lincoln
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From: HGYL
Subject: Royal Navy Ships' Badges on Dockyard Walls
During a visit to the former Royal Naval Dockyard in Bermuda last year I came across a part of the dockyard which is used today by the cable ships stationed in the islands and also used by the occasional visiting Gray Funnel liner. This part of the dockyard was where HMS Malabar was situated after the second world war and the dockyard as such had been closed. HMS Malabar itself closed sometime in the 70s or 80s.
The wall of this part of the dockyard and the walls of nearby buildings are covered with paintings of ship's badges, dating from the 1960s to date. Mainly RN but many other nationalities are represented.
Does anyone know if the practice of a visiting ship's crew painting their ship's badge on the dockyard wall was done elsewhere in the world? I know that the graving dock in Simon's Town, South Africa, has ship's badges painted on the walls of the graving dock and in fact a book titled "The Ships' Badges of Simon's Town Dry Dock" by Commander J.F.Wainwright was published in 2001. However, I don't recall having seen the profusion of badges that adorn the walls in Bermuda anywhere else. I have visited most of the present or former RN dockyards in the Western hemisphere but simply don't remember anything like it. I tried to catalogue the badges in Bermuda and arrived at a total of 214. Commander Wainwright has a total of 137 at Simon's Town.
There may even be someone on this list who actually painted his ship's badge on a dockyard wall somewhere. I would like to hear from you if you did and also from anyone who knows of this practice elsewhere.
Regards to all,
Harold Lincoln
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From: Sab1156
Subject: Re: Scapa Flow Günther Prien Film
Dear Miguel,
I dont know, if Hollywood made a movie about Prien,but I know there was a german black & white movie with the title: Der Stier von Scapa Flow.
Best regards
Detlef
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From: "Poutre, Joseph A"
Subject: Re: U.S.S. CONSTITUTION
From: Fkbrown90
>> One little known piece of information gleaned from this little gem of a book is the fact that while in the Indian Ocean in 1884 CONSTITUTION's hull was painted an off-white ("lead color" as described by Stevens), apparently to test a new theory that lighter hues could be effective in offsetting the effects of a tropical sun. This seems to be another of Benjamin Franklin's original ideas. The gun port stripe was painted bright red, and the sobriquet "Old Ironsides" appeared on the bows "in fancy colors". I believe the U.S.S. Constitution Museum in Boston has a very rare painting showing this paint scheme. It is interesting to note that the "lead color" eventually developed into the basic gray used for naval vessels world-wide <<
Now _there's_ a model to build to throw off the paint nazis. :-) I'll have to find a small model of her to do in this scheme, and visit the museum to photograph the painting.
I believe you meant 1844 in the Indian Ocean, because she was in the US in 1884.
Joe Poutre
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From: "James Hathaway"
Subject: Scapa Flow Gunther Prien Film
Hi Miguel,
In locating films like the one you are looking for, usually the first place I look is Belle And Blade Video. I've had good luck with him, if it is out on video, chances are, he has it.
I have included his web address below, his catalog is on-line.
If you don't see it, you might want to drop him an E-mail, and see if he has heard of it.
http://www.warshows.com/StoreFront.bok
Jim Hathaway
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From: Shane
Subject: Tamiya 1/350 USS Fletcher instructions
Hi all,
Can anyone supply me with a scan/copy of the intructions for the Tamiya 1/350 Fletcher??
I have a customer who mistakenly threw his copy out with his newspapers for recycling :-(
Regards,
Shane
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