Subject: SMML VOL 2428 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 23:36:03 +1100 SMML is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Re Kormoran and Gross Registered Tonnage (GRT) 2 Re Model Shop - Anaheim 3"What a silly question.!!!!! 4 Re Model Shop - Anaheim 5 News about Graf Spee 6 Re Photo Quality 7 Hobby shops near Disneyland 8 NOT the TIRPITZ..... 9 Re Kormoran's displacement 10 Re Kormoran and Sydney 11 Re Niko Models Needs Help -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD INDEX 1 New Classic Warship books ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Subject Re Kormoran and Gross Registered Tonnage (GRT) >> How the 100 cu. feet = 1 ton of cargo was derived, is a mystery to me. << This dates back to the 14th Century as a basis for tax to be charged on wine brought into England. Wine was transported in large casks called tuns, each having a capacity of about 250 gallons, on which a tax of three shillings was charged. A ship's capacity was then measured in the number of tuns it could carry, it's tunnage. It was then determined that, for a ship of that era, the depth of the hold times the ship's maximum beam times the ship's length divided by 100 was a very close approximation of the ship's tunnage. In time the word tunnage became tonnage. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "David N. Lombard" Subject Re Model Shop - Anaheim From "Janine Crick" >> I am travelling to the States & taking the kids to visit the mouse at Anaheim. I am looking for a model shop close by, so that I won't be bored. Also if anybody has information or know of a photoetch set for the Airfix Eboat. And this one is for Airfix, rerelease HMS Victorious. << Lyndon, Welcome! There are several places of interest. I go to Military Shop every week; Brookhurst Hobbies every other week; Military Hobbies (Orange) about once a month; the others are visited occasionally. These are my faves Brookhurst Hobbies, 12188 Brookhurst St., Garden Grove http//www.brookhursthobbies.com/, (714) 636-3580 From Harbor and Katella, travel west on Katella to Brookhurst, about 2 miles, south (left) on Brookhurst (1 mile). Turn left into strip mall once past Chapman (and the gas station). Open every day. Outstanding aircraft, armor, ships, &etc (absolutely the best ships in the area, plastic and resin). Paint, detail sets, P/E, decals, books, mags, &etc. Worldwide CAM distributer (a/c detail sets and decals). Military Shop Hobbies and Books, 2009 Palo Verde Ave, Long Beach, (562) 493-1612 From Harbor and Katella, travel west on Katella to Brookhurst, about 12-24 miles (into Long Beach, Los Angeles County). Katella becomes Willow, Turn south (left) on Palo Verde. Turn right into strip mall (light blue and white buildings) about two miles south. You went too far if you cross Atherton Hours are 12-6, Fri, Sat, Sun, and Mon, Excellent selection of aircraft and armor, PE, detail sets, paints, books, mags, &etc. Some ship kits and books. Not as large a kit selection as Brookhurst; may have a better PE and details selection (but both are close). Military Hobbies, 138 East Taft Avenue, Orange, CA 92865 (714) 637-1211 From Harbor and Katella, travel east on Katella to N Glassel, about 3 miles. North on Glassel to Taft (1 mile). Right on Taft and immediate right into strip mall. Fairly good aircraft, armor, and ships. Many books. Others are Ultimate Hobbies, 2378 North Orange Mall, Orange, CA Prestige Hobbies in Hobby City, 1238 South Beach Boulevard, Anaheim, CA Hobby People, 5449 South Street, Lakewood, CA Hobby People, 18475 Pacific Street, Fountain Valley, CA (Main store) Bargains Galore-Modelmania, 232 West Commonwealth Avenue, Fullerton, CA David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA N 33 deg, 48', W 118 deg, 5' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Edward Wyatt" Subject "What a silly question.!!!!! Hi Can anyone let me know if in POST war use, tankers USA T 2 type had lights showing from the rear of the ship , and also where they, if any , are put. and what colour ? I only build the models , and as to date have not noticed the lights.. Many thanks Edward ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From Richa5011@aol.com Subject Re Model Shop - Anaheim Lyndon There is a lot of model related things to do here in Orange County (the home of Disneyland and millions of people). There are several shops around the Disney area. Brookhurst Hobbies, Military Hobbies, The Military Shop, Prestige Hobbies and Monsters In Motion to name just a few that are within 15 or 20 minutes driving time. If you will be here on the third Friday of the month, feel free to join us at the IPMS Orange County monthly meeting. Details and addresses on our meeting and the local hobby shops can be found on our website at www.ipmsoc.org There is also the Ship Modelers Association that meets on the third Wednesday of each month (www.ship-modelers-assn.com) and they also have there large bi-annual model expo coming up at the Queen Mary. If you are going to be here in April there is also an event called TamiyaCon, which is Tamiya's in-house contest (the only rule is that it has to be a Tamiya kit) that is about 30 minutes south of Tizzyland. Nat Richards ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From u.brow@gmx.de Subject News about Graf Spee Hi , our local newspaper said today that there are difficulties in lifting the wreck of The Graf Spee from the bottom of the River Plate in Montevideo and that they will try again when the weather is better. I always thought that the current in that area is much too strong for any action saving this wreck. Can anyone give me further details about this news? What will they do with a 65 year old wreck of a burnt out ship?? Couriously looking forward for any hint. Thanks in advance Udo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From SteveWiper@aol.com Subject Re Photo Quality >> So if we are capturing images digitally now, how are we going to archive them? There is currently no satisfactory electronic solution to this problem. I can not imagine someone in 2064 being able to find and access any electronic files which currently exist. The best means for this is still to make a photographic (not inkjet) print, and store that. << I would upgrade the digital file to the newer format each time it changes. I am also sure there will be older style machines around to do this at that time. >> As the photographs in the Classic Warships publications show, a good quality photographic print can be scanned, digitized, and then reproduced with high quality. (However, the digital 3D artwork in my copy of the Bismarck book does show objectionable digital artifacts in, for example, the rigging and the deck lines.) I think in 2064 someone will still be able to scan prints and reproduce them. Prints are permanent << Yes, unfortunately the artist sent the images at too low a resolution, for the third time, so that is what I had to go with! Once he saw the books, he realized his mistake, so maybe better luck next time. As to the latest Squadron Ship in Action book, there is no excuse for this sloppy work! Steve Wiper ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From Loren Perry Subject Hobby shops near Disneyland >> I am travelling to the States & taking the kids to visit the mouse at Anaheim. I am looking for a model shop close by, so that I won't be bored. << There is an excellent plastic model shop with a superb ship model kit selection in nearby Garden Grove. The shop is called Brookhurst Hobbies and it's located at 12188 Brookhurst Street, about 200 yards south of the Chapman Avenue intersection (and just north of Lampson Avenue) in the city of Garden Grove. This is approximately one mile west/southwest of Disneyland and you can drive there in ten minutes. (Garden Grove and Anaheim share a common city limit.) Their phone number is (714) 636-3580. They stock plastic and resin kits, Gold Medal Models and other PE fittings, reference books, magazines, decals, and lots more. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From Brooks Rowlett Subject NOT the TIRPITZ..... http//www.evidenceincamera.co.uk/images/Large/sw2.htm http//www.evidenceincamera.co.uk/image_shop/imshop_Sea.htm This is the new UK site with WWII air recon photos. Though apparently identified as the TIRPITZ, this Z-23 class destroyer without the twin mount forward does provide a nice image for seeing where the air recognition swastikas were painted, and showing that the gun shield tops were grey rather than dark countershaded. Brooks A. Rowlett ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From George Levine Subject Re Kormoran's displacement >> 2. Gross registered tons (Brutto-Register-Tonnen). This is an international volume measurement (100 cubic feet = 2.83 cubic meters), according to which all countries determine the content volume of merchant ships. Gross content volume (gross registered tons = GRT) is the total enclosed space of the ship. Net content volume is the space available for load and passengers, i.e., the revenue-producing space......... PS GRT = 100 cubic feet = 1 ton (1000 kg) << I have not been following this thread but happened to notice the reference to displacement and Registered Tonnage. While one Gross Register Ton is equal to 100 cubic feet, it does NOT equal 1000 kg. Register Tonnage (both Gross and Net) are a measure of internal volume according to specific rules and are theoretically related to the earning capability of the ship. They are used to assess fees for harbor use and canal passage. There is not, and cannot be, any relation to weight or mass. My experience is in designing merchant ships, but my limited exposure to naval vessels has shown that "standard displacement" is rather arbitrary and does not have much relationship to the real world. The term is not used for merchant ships. When using Register Tonnage to compare ships it is essential to make sure they are the same type of ship, as the numbers could be affected by the ship design and the way the rules are applied. George Levine Currently in Christmas Florida USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Subject Re Kormoran and Sydney One reference "Storia della Marina Profili - Vol 9" shows Kormoran as having a displacement of 19,000 t and gross registered tonnage of 8,736 t. The latter applies of course to her merchant service. Talbot-Booth's Merchant Ships of 1942 lists her GRT as 9,700 tons. The continental tonnage is based on 1,000 kg = 1 tonne whereas the British ton = 1,016 kg, which partially explains the difference. It is very common to see the different tonnages mixed up. The merchant gross ton is based on earning volume where 100 c. ft. = 1 ton while naval tonnage is displacement or actual weight of the ship. This has beeen a particularly interesting thread for me as I was able to visit Sydney at the Wallsend Slipway & Engineering Company Works on the Tyne in 1935. My uncle worked for that firm which was responsible for the engines and all who worked on her were allowed to bring family members aboard just after completion. A friendly sailor took me into B turret and demonstrated the training mechanism. Michael London ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From "Harold Stockton" Subject Re Niko Models Needs Help John Sutherland wrote >> . . . I have to admit having mixed feelings about Niko's plans. Whilst any new multi-media WWII British warship is to be welcomed, it is sad that, with so many uncovered significant subjects to choose from they have selected one of the few older ship classes already well covered. >> HP Models already offers Danae and Durban in WWI fit, Delhi in 1942, Dragon in 1943 and Conrad in 1945 fits. Dauntless, Dunedin, Danae, Diomede and Durban are also listed as future issues in WWII fits. I have all five of the issued kits and they are moderatly detailed, but perfectly adequate, resin kits. They in particular cry out for some PE, but I have been able to find all I need from various WEM PE sets. . . << >> IMHO, it is a crying shame (almost a scandal) that there are no kits (plastic, resin or pewter) that I am aware of the vastly more active, significant, and diverse, C class. . . << >> I don't know if you have any influence with Adam of Niko, but perhaps he could be persuaded to put his energies into covering one or more of the gaps rather than producing competing models of ships already adequately covered? << Well, that sure is a mouth full. Firstly, if any company wants to take the time to do some national pride in its historical record, more power to them. I guess Greg Anderson of OzMod should stop doing any more of his Australian versions of the Daring class destroyers as not being "vastly more active, significant, and diverse" a subject. And because there already is an "adequately covered" Airfix version. Should Heller kits be shunned because they focus on French subjects, as does Arsenal. What of Combrig's fascination with Russian subjects? The people at Niko should be praised for any venture that they wish to produce. Their masters are more than adequate and their attention to detail rivals many of the current injection molded companies. In short, Mr. Sutherland should focus more on producing his own kits than raising objections for a call to help in a worthwhile venture. Why should adequate be enough when a company is trying to offer an alternative to doing without, or with less? The aircraft field is continually assaulted with more kits of the Me-109, Fw-190, P-51 and Spitfire every year because kit manufacturers know that they can sell a certain number over and over again. Congratulations should be given to any company that is willing to do something different, even if it is a little less than the beaten path. Niko models wanted some assistance for what they are trying to do to fill a specific niche in the market. Mr. Sutherland happens to want something different from what they are offering. If we focus more on the original message, rather than what someone thinks of the message, then we can have a little more variety on all of our collective plates. In closing, modeling is a person past-time, not a business. If we think that a certain subject will sell more than others we should contract with some company to produce our ideas and to then take the chance in the marketplace as all the other companies do. I enjoy well built models and the time that it takes to produce them, no matter what the subject. Though I may not build that type of subject personally, I am not going to tell someone else what they can or should model. Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRADERS, ANNOUNCEMENTS & NOTICEBOARD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From Randy Short Subject New Classic Warship books Hi, Snyder and Short will have the new Classic Warship books when they come out at the end of Feb. #22 Ticonderoga $13.50 #25 Yamato $12 Shipping and handling for 1 or both is $4.50 priority mail or $2 media mail (book rate) We will accept orders at anytime now. We have all the CW books except 1 and 5. We have all the WR Press books in stock. We carry the WEM Colourcaot paints, and our Color Chip sets. Our prices are reasonable, and retail customers get help with color and camo questions. 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