Subject: SMML VOL 2978 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 05:31:28 +1000 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Half Moon 2 Re Babel fish 3 Frigates versus DEs Score 1 all ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From FLTLUCIA@aol.com Subject Half Moon would like to know correct design of the Half Moon. tom lucia ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From Fritz Koopman Subject Re Babel fish Dave Lombard asks >> Of course, this suggests another quiz Why Babel Fish? << Answer 42 Fritz K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From "Jon Holford" Subject Frigates versus DEs Score 1 all Delighted to see John Lambert back on line and to take up his point re the later Black Swan class sloops/frigates. As he rightly says, they were admirable ships for their time, precisely as John says; all-rounders with a good AA punch, plenty of depth charges, a split hedgehog (or was it a"normal" one?) and a comprehensive radar outfit. If I has seemed to knock the class it was because it was a much extended 1930s design which had reached its developmental limit when the USN DEs were still young and evolving. The Rudderows and John C Butlers were conceived with all the virtues of the Black Swans, plus increased speed. Obviously this stemmed from lessons which had been learned from earlier classes, including British Flowers and sloops, and earlier DEs. The DEs were, like the Black Swans, designed as all-rounders and, unlike the Black Swans, for mass production. When I expressed my simplistic view of the DEs as "superior", I was looking at escorts as they came out of the war, rather than as they went into it. By the mid 50s the Black Swans were virtually gone, certainly from front line service, while the DEs had still a few useful years to go, having been able to absorb more modernisation. In reality, neither was really "better" than the other, judhges against the standards of its own time. My apologies to any frigate veterans I may have offended, the intention was, I repeat, to provoke them to tell me those things about their old ships which they know and I do not. Jon Holford ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume