Subject: SMML VOL 3025 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:15:58 +1100 The Ship Modelling Mailing List (SMML) is proudly sponsored by SANDLE http//sandlehobbies.com For infomation on how to Post to SMML and Unsubscribe from SMML http//smmlonline.com/aboutsmml/rules.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS INDEX 1 Computer thread 2 Re Computer Thread 3 Re Revell Polaris Sub propeller 4 Re Polaris sub propeller 5 Re OLD GUILLOWS KITS 6 Re Computer Thread 7 Re OLD GUILLOWS KITS 8 Re 1920 Wars with Russia 9 Imperial German Navy Flag Hoists 10 Re Guillows kits 11 German Propaganda Prints ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MODELLERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) From "Norman Samish" Subject Computer thread To Bob Santos, Ed MacDonald, and other Korean War types, You're raking up old memories. In the late '50's I did some programming on an IBM 650. This used vacuum tubes, tape drives, and a spinning drum. The drum had 1,000 programmable cells, accessed using punch cards with machine language. (We didn't have Formula Translation language, or Fortran as it came to be known.) Later on the drum was replaced with one with 2,000 cells - a giant advance! Now my desktop computer has a the equivalent of a million of those drums, accessed at lightning speed. And it doesn't even need an air-conditioned room full of refrigerator-sized boxes to function. It reminds me of the battleship being replaced by the F-18. Norman Samish ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) From "Rick Nelson" Subject Re Computer Thread When I was at Digital in '72 we had "drums" on our PDP10 line as well as a 4 foot diameter swapping disk. Used to do a drum run-down time measurement to determine the condition of the bearings. The shorter the time the poorer shape the bearings were in. Rick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) From beyondsun@mindspring.com Subject Re Revell Polaris Sub propeller Thanks for the link to the bananna-blade prop illustrations, Rick. Can never have too many views of these props, IMHO - now that the Cold War tension is over. To that end, take a look at this, the best pic I've found and the one on which I based my scratchbuild http//webzoom.freewebs.com/henry0077/Scan818.jpg This can be found at the website usscasimirpulaski.com, on the following page http//www.usscasimirpulaski.com/anatomy2refit.htm This is a great website, so many authentic, ('80s) period - and color - pics of the interior of a Polaris boat that I am thinking of doing a cutaway build specifically to depict all these photos. And it's owned by one of my very best modeling buddies, who was the inspiration - and Number One on the List - for this 1/200 scale prop project. Cheers, Matty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) From ives100@aol.com Subject Re Polaris sub propeller From "Rick Nelson" David writes >> The propeller included in the Renwall kit and I'm sure the Revell kits also, does not reflect what the actual propeller on a FBM (Fleet Ballistic Missile) submarine looked like. The propeller included in the kit was a compromise between the kit manufacturer and the Navy. In the mid-60's the Navy had realized that their propeller design technology should be classified as it was a significant contributor to the "quieting" of the boat. << I have been out of circualtion attending a scientific meeting, and largely missed this thread. The original SSBN propeller was a 5 bladed version with broad, fan-like blades. The later propellers were 7 bladed, J series propellers. These were not as skewed as the blades on the LA & Ohio class submarines (which are the basis for the photoetch in the BWN/YKM kits). I have photos of both the early 5 bladed version & later 7 bladed J-series propeller, which I will send to individuals who might desire those. I have photos of both the propeller alone and on both a Sturgeon (USS Pogy) and a Polaris SSBN in drydock. Tom Dougherty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) From "Simon Scheuer" Subject Re OLD GUILLOWS KITS "DUCKMAN" >> DOES ANYONE KNOW OF AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE "DOPE" THAT IS USED ON GUILLOW'S KITS? << If you do not plan to operate the model with a glow fuel engine, I have used thinned white glue to attach tissue to the model. You brush it on the leading and trailing edges of the wing and ribs where necessary; place your tissue paper on dry. Let dry then spray the tissue lightly with water. The tissue will take light coats of enamel after that. Similar procedure for covering fuselage. Don't try to cover everything with one piece of tissue. Make panels and cover select areas. e.g. do 1/2 of top of wing not including tip areas that are rounded. then do bottom. etc. Make 1/4 panel for fuselage so the curvature doesn't eat your lunch. enjoy. Simon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) From John Reeder Subject Re Computer Thread Back in the dark ages (1970), I ran computer operations at Quonset Point Naval Air Station. At the time, we were the largest employer in the state of Rhode Island because of the Naval Air Rework Facility (NARF) located on base. We had two, large RCA 3301 computers. Like Bob Sanos' Univac, the 3301 had a high speed drum for memory storage. Whenever a plane or helo came in for overhaul, it would be inspected and a list of all the proposed work would be sent to us. We would then create a large deck of punch cards which broke the work into all the specific tasks that needed to be accomplished. When a maintenance person completed a task, he would indicate on the appropriate card the time spent and material used. The card was then key-punched and returned to us. Thus, we could create reports showing progress against schedule, manhours against standard, and material cost for each aircraft. It was quite a sophisticated system for the time.... John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) From "Ken Goldman" Subject Re OLD GUILLOWS KITS To perhaps answer Duckman's query regarding a replacement for dope specified for the Guillows kits, you might experiment with watered down white glue. This is the method for attaching the rice paper to the old Hasegawa 116 scale Wright Flyer 1/ paint white glue on the tops and bottoms of the ribs and leading edges, then let it dry; 2/ lay a sheet of rice paper, cut to the approximate size, over the wing, then paint it all over with watered down white glue. The thin stuff reactivates the dried glue on the ribs to bond the paper, and as the wet paper dries it pulls up taut. I don't see why this wouldn't work on the Guillows kits. It might, however, require a couple of coats of glue on the ribs if the wood absorbs too much of the first coat. Ken Goldman USS CHARLES CARROLL APA28 an amphibious history of World War II ISBN 1-4120-2114-6 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) From "David N. Lombard" Subject Re 1920 Wars with Russia From John Sweetman >>... there were also expeditions in the south, as well as across in Vladivostok area. An interesting part of almost forgotten History good luck! << It was pretty much unknown back then, too. My grandfather was in the US Army and was sent from the Philippines to Vladivostok as part of the American Expeditionary Forces Siberia. David N. Lombard Rossmoor, Orange County, CA http//www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth?imgsize=320&opt=-z&lat=33.8&ns=North&lon=118.08&ew=West&alt=7&img=learth.evif ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) From Richa5011@aol.com Subject Imperial German Navy Flag Hoists Is there a source of information on the flag hoists used in the Imperial German Navy (specifically in the WW I era)? Also, did the Kaiser's ships of WW I use letters to identify a ship as a pennant number (as they did in WW II) or letters and numbers (as the RN did in both wars)? Nat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) From Bill Michaels Subject Re Guillows kits David, If you're interested in Guillows kits, there is a yahoo group dedicated to the subject. I built a Fairchild 24 two years ago- my first kit in over 20 years. I used some of the techniques I picked up on the guillowsbuilders group. (We recently finshed a group build, where several members built the Rufe floatplane- that's almost on topic!) I gather a lot of people don't use dope anymore, becasue of the smell and toxicity. I tried the "new" technique-- apply the tissue using a glue stick (the kind kids use). Shrink the the tissue the usual way (water or isopropyl) and then use spray Krylon clear to seal the tissue. I found this procedure to work great-- Krylon is cheap ($1 a can at Home Depot), and the only part I couldn't do indoors was the Krylon application. I misted on a few light coats- it worked well. I won't clutter up this ship list with more stick and tissue talk. If you're interested in such things, join us on Yahoo, and also check out SFA- the Small Flying Arts web page. http//www.smallflyingarts.com/ Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) From "Harold Stockton" Subject German Propaganda Prints For anyone out there that wants to set their 1/72 or other scale German U-boats or S-boots off when finished, you might try placing a German Propaganda Print alongside them. There are some very interesting pieces at http//www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/german-war-art-kriegsmarine.htm#German%20War%20Art%20of%20the%20Kriegsmarine%20in%20the%20Nazi%20Third%20Reich . #PT2101 Deutsches U-Boot versenkt englisches Frachtdampfer/ German U-Boat sinks English steamboat freighter. #PT2110 Deutscher Schnellbootangriff auf englischen Geleitzug / German speedboat attack against English convoy. And, they have CDs with U-boat songs like "Der Todt reit't auf einem kohlschwartzen Rappen", (Death Rides a Coal-black Horse), and others. Harold Stockton ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check out the SMML site for the List Rules, Reviews, Articles, Backissues, Member's models & Reference Pictures at http//smmlonline.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of Volume